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Post by motorcitysam on Sept 6, 2019 15:29:34 GMT -5
For what it's worth, I checked the LIU-Brooklyn roster on their official site, and Jack's not on it. Might not mean anything; not every school lists players who are redshirting on their official roster. However, I looked back at their articles and didn't see anything about him signing. But I haven't heard anything else about him. On cue, LIU coach tweets: It was on November 21, 2018 that the head coach at LIU sent out a Tweet welcoming Jack to the program. I thought it was a done deal at the time but I was obviously wrong.
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Post by calihanmole on Sept 6, 2019 19:23:07 GMT -5
At this point, no news from JJJ and JB could possibly surprise me. They could announce they are retiring from basketball to become co-CEOs of Chasing The League, tweet tomorrow that they have landed at a community college in Alaska, or have Tony Paul tell us they are walk ons at Oakland. Nothing really would surprise me.
Something is weird. JB’s twitter did at one time say he was with LIU. JJJ’s twitter still says LIU. But classes started at LIU this Wednesday and we’d presume that they would have been in NY this summer working out. JJJ tweets a lot and you’d think one of them would have tweeted something about his new team and facilities. Maybe one or both of them had an academic issue that led to a denied admission. Maybe there’s some other unfortunate personal issue.
But yeah, it’s weird they’re not seen in the workout video and not on the website roster considering how long they’ve been reportedly committed.
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Post by calihanmole on Sept 8, 2019 17:13:10 GMT -5
I don’t see what’s so interesting about a tweet that tells us nothing we don’t already know from a guy with 400 followers. My sense is the guy is just someone who covers the HL from a NKY viewpoint and they are just now paying attention to the intricacies of the JJJ and JB saga.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2019 17:14:22 GMT -5
I don’t see what’s so interesting about a tweet that tells us nothing we don’t already know from a guy with 400 followers. My sense is the guy is just someone who covers the HL from a NKY viewpoint and they are just now paying attention to the intricacies of the JJJ and JB saga. I'll delete it then.
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Post by calihanmole on Sept 8, 2019 17:21:57 GMT -5
Haha. You certainly didn’t need to delete.
Still super odd that neither JJJ nor JB are tweeting about LIU in any way.
I’m having a bad feeling. Also, while I don’t really care so much what those two do, I think this story is possibly becoming tragically sad. They were both good players coming out of HS. Not change the landscape kind of guys, but legit D1 talent. Now their eligibility is tolling and they’re still not officially on any roster or furthering their education.
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Post by ptctitan on Sept 8, 2019 20:43:27 GMT -5
These two players never tweeted much about their original recruiting decisions. We all went through a similar period of doubt in the Spring of 2017 when they did not announce their decisions until a joint press conference at their high school around May 1, 2017.
Unfortunately, the matter is out of our control. And we won't know for certain until their name(s) pop up on some school's formal roster census that is submitted to the NCAA or a different regulatory organization.
If their names don't pop up anywhere, we still have grounds for appeal. Remember, the decisions of these two players not to enroll anywhere last year were the final straws that tipped the 2017-18 APR so low that it caused the 4-year average to fall under 930. We have grounds for appeal in addition to these guys.
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Post by ptctitan on Sept 8, 2019 21:06:58 GMT -5
LIU's HC welcomes JJJ to the LIU family on April 20th.
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Post by calihanmole on Sept 8, 2019 21:34:40 GMT -5
I still believe the odds are good that they are at LIU and it will be public very shortly. If you look at the LIU roster on their website, it doesn’t include any freshman or new players (I think). Could very well be that the LIU folks still just need to write their bios.
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Post by ptctitan on Sept 9, 2019 4:27:00 GMT -5
I still believe the odds are good that they are at LIU and it will be public very shortly. If you look at the LIU roster on their website, it doesn’t include any freshman or new players (I think). Could very well be that the LIU folks still just need to write their bios. Then, the issue becomes whether or not that persuades the NCAA to recalculate our APR for 2017-18 by considering them as transfers rather than drop-outs. If just one of them is considered a regular transfer, that gives us enough added points to bring our 4-year average to 930 or higher. The purpose of the retention point was to prevent coaches from running off marginally-talented but academically-sound scholarship players during the pre-transfer portal era. Recall 5 or more years ago, when the hot discussion topic concerned the fairness of an athletic scholarship only being a 1-year guarantee from the school. The APR formula was constructed in order to prevent coaches from overly exploiting the one-year guarantee. Then, the minimum required 4-year average was raised from 900 to 930 in order to make it even more difficult for coaches to run off players. IMO, the transfer portal has equalized the power here. Just look at Oakland and Braden Norris.
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Post by calihanmole on Sept 13, 2019 7:10:25 GMT -5
www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/TGONLINE42018.pdfI’m less convinced that JJJ and JB can just play at LIU this fall. Not to say that means they can’t be on scholarship and the roster, but the rules suggest the student athlete is supposed to attend the new school and sit for a year to get acclimated to the new institution. There is an automatic path to play if a student athlete hasn’t competed in two years. Still think it would have made much more sense for them to have transferred immediately or went JUCO.
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Post by upbasketballfan on Sept 13, 2019 8:29:47 GMT -5
www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/TGONLINE42018.pdfI’m less convinced that JJJ and JB can just play at LIU this fall. Not to say that means they can’t be on scholarship and the roster, but the rules suggest the student athlete is supposed to attend the new school and sit for a year to get acclimated to the new institution. There is an automatic path to play if a student athlete hasn’t competed in two years. Still think it would have made much more sense for them to have transferred immediately or went JUCO. The verbal commits chart for LIU shows both players as redshirt scholarship players for 2019.
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Post by motorcitysam on Sept 13, 2019 14:24:41 GMT -5
We've all said it, but the whole JJJ/JB/LIU thing is just strange. At some point they must have signed something to attend LIU, because otherwise the coach wouldn't have mentioned them publicly.
As much as I would like to see JJJ and JB enrolled at LIU for the benefit it might give the Titans APR appeal, I'm also very aware that their enrollment alone may not be enough for the NCAA to give us a break. For one thing, the NCAA very rarely goes out of their way to help mid major programs. Also, we had other serious academic issues in addition to two guys transferring and not enrolling. I'm in my usual mode of hope for the best, prepare for the worst, and accept anything in between. I'll still enthusiastically cheer for the Titans if the appeal fails, but it will take some of the fun out of the season.
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Post by motowntitan on Sept 13, 2019 20:18:03 GMT -5
What if only one of them is at LIU? Would that still put our APR over?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2019 3:44:13 GMT -5
This tweet was a continuation of a thread concerning a player we offered last night. LIU is also involved:
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Post by ptctitan on Sept 14, 2019 4:32:14 GMT -5
What if only one of them is at LIU? Would that still put our APR over? Yes. If only one of them would enroll at any new university and their academic progress point is restored, then our 2017-18 APR would increase by over 40 points. Divided by 4, this means our 4-year average would rise by over ten points increasing our 4-year average from 920 to 930. If both players points are restored, then our 4-year average would be about 940.
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