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Post by ptctitan on Aug 24, 2023 18:45:51 GMT -5
Form 990 also reports Davis Compensation as: 2021 $593,731 2020 $637,701 2019 $229,066 *Also Bacari received $268,178 2018 Bacari took home $300,221 I'm always told on here how bad and underfunded everything is, yet I've also seen we spend more on Men's hoops than any HL team and that's been the way for years (I'll defer to someone else as the reference for that). If we lop off say $100,00 annually the past several years boom we have real money to start funding things, Road to Championship, whatever. The Davis deal has NOT been an efficient use of our limited dollars to spend/invest in the University. Also, whoever we paid for the billboard and the 'hey at least have detroit in our name'...NOT an efficient use of our limited dollars. So Davis received average annual compensation of about $475,000 over his first four school years here with 2/3rds of it paid in years 2 and 3 of his contract. That is $175K higher than Bacari and about $60K lower than Ray received in his final year here. Was it worth it to save the $235K annually by replacing Ray with Bacari? The men's team has recovered to where it was in Ray's final 3 years here. That's an improvement over Bacari, but the goal should be on court performance comparable to Ray's best years and Coach Watson's usual years. I don't complain about what we paid Ray, Bacari or what we pay Mike. I remain unsatisfied with the on-court results. I hope they improve this year. We will have a challenging non-conference schedule due to so many road games and 4 power conference opponents. But in the world of the NCAA NET, road losses don't hurt a team as much as a home loss. We will have a strong strength of schedule rating because we play all D1 schools. Hopefully in the week after Labor Day, we will learn the full roster so we can turn our attention on the season. Go Titans!
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Post by hyperion on Aug 24, 2023 20:36:48 GMT -5
Davis is simply over paid, no sugar costing this. When Bacari was hired, there was a lot of buzz and energy surrounding the program. It’s easy to look back and look at that as a bust but we need to keep trying until we find that next PW. We have nothing to lose trying, if we’re going to continue to go 14-18 every year. Ideally, it needs to be someone with strong ties to the inner city HS ranks.
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Post by rbj on Aug 24, 2023 22:25:36 GMT -5
Davis is simply over paid, no sugar costing this. When Bacari was hired, there was a lot of buzz and energy surrounding the program. It’s easy to look back and look at that as a bust but we need to keep trying until we find that next PW. We have nothing to lose trying, if we’re going to continue to go 14-18 every year. Ideally, it needs to be someone with strong ties to the inner city HS ranks. I think what we need most is a young and hungry coach that can recruit. I think we had that guy on the coaching staff a few years ago, he wasnt sitting in the first seat. I thought Mike Davis Jr. would be a great recruiter, he isn't.
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Post by ptctitan on Aug 25, 2023 6:12:00 GMT -5
Mid-major Michigan D1 basketball has been a loser for the past 5 seasons. Here are the cumulative 5-year overall and conference records of the other D1 schools and us.
CMU: 61-90/31-57 EMU: 55-89/28-60 WMU: 42-105/20-70
OAK: 75-85/52-43 UDM: 59-88/43-46
Is it a mere coincidence that the best record is the newest school? Is the Michigan talent pool no longer as deep as it was 25-50 years ago? Maybe we need to reconsider our hypotheses and proposed solutions?
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Post by JDetroitTitan on Aug 25, 2023 7:45:49 GMT -5
How come everyone thinks we are driving a Cadillac, we ain't, that reality. You think that fixing the coaching staff is going to be the solution. In Reality we have a coach that won at Indiana, won at UAB, and that won a lot for Texas Southern then, came to U of D and laid an egg. Well, I would say this issue is running deeper up the food chain than the coach. I bet the high up at the University for so long didn't carry about the basketball program. For example they let the facilities go for so many years. Then all of a sudden the University probably figured out if you get into NCAA Tournament your enrollment gets a BIG boost the next year. So than they tried to buy a coach with BA and MD to get there again. BA was a disaster (partly him and partly the school forcing JJ on him). Now a days you need more than coaching to attached and keep players. Are we a well know powerhouse program-NO, Do we have top of the line facilities-No, Is there fun things to do in walking range-NO, Is the scenery nice to look at -Yes if you like run down urban,....ect
What I see is we have a coach that before coming to our program has ONLY missed post season play 4 times in 18 years and out of those 4 times he won the conference once. The evidence points to there is something defiantly wrong with us. So lets figure it out and fix it before its to late (we lose a good coach).
P.S. almost every program wants a young cheep coach that can win so how in the world are we going to be "The program" that can finds and gets that type of unicorn to pick UD out of the pack. Guess what it isn't going to happen.
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Post by fan on Aug 25, 2023 12:40:40 GMT -5
This is still a D1 MBB program, and it has value to someone that wants and can do the job, nobody goes to a USC or Univ of Pennsylvania game to tour the neighborhood. MD Indiana's stay was limited, and he won the NCAA as a caretaker coach. You are right MD did lay an egg, as did BA, but that doesn't mean we have to endure a continuing poor job in regard to the MBB team, So the school or job is not driving a Cadillac, say it's a Ford 150, does that mean we'd have to accept a 150 that doesn't run?
Actually, BA was a great hire, he for whatever reason didn't out, PW was a great hire and he worked out fine, you can't tell me that there is a JC, or D2, or HS coach out there who would jump at the job, and make it work. I'd rather coach at the UoD than say Mott. I'm not saying Steve Schmitt would take the job, but he would have years ago, and he likely would have had a winning program, he does at Mott.
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Post by Commissioner on Aug 25, 2023 13:06:59 GMT -5
This will be Coach Davis's 6th year. My preference for a job like ours is to go with the young up and comer, but that is admittedly a higher risk strategy. If you're going to go with the old veteran, I think Davis was about as good a hire, on paper, as one can get in our situation. But for whatever reason, so far we haven't seen much in the way of results. I do think he's had a lot of bad breaks, but nonetheless, if we don't see some real progress this season, we should be seriously considering a change. 14-19 isn't going to cut it.
I really don't know if he'd be a good fit at UD, and there's some reason to think that may have burned our bridges back in 2018, but that said, I will note that 39-year old Andy Bronkema continues to win big at Ferris State. In 10 years he's got a 224-85 record (.725%--he's at .757% since his first year; 46-18 (.718) the last two), 5 NCAA appearances, one D-2 national title, 4 regular season conference titles, 4 conference tournament titles, 2 conference coach of the year, 1 national coach of the year. Although its issues are very different, and its recruiting pool different, I doubt that Ferris is an easy place to recruit to, either.
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Post by Commissioner on Aug 25, 2023 13:09:00 GMT -5
P.S. almost every program wants a young cheep coach that can win so how in the world are we going to be "The program" that can finds and gets that type of unicorn to pick UD out of the pack. Guess what it isn't going to happen. We might have gotten our unicorn back with Dick Vitale. Sure, that was 50 years ago, so maybe we're due. On the other hand, I don't know how many unicorns there are.
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Post by JDetroitTitan on Aug 25, 2023 13:56:34 GMT -5
P.S. almost every program wants a young cheep coach that can win so how in the world are we going to be "The program" that can finds and gets that type of unicorn to pick UD out of the pack. Guess what it isn't going to happen. We might have gotten our unicorn back with Dick Vitale. Sure, that was 50 years ago, so maybe we're due. On the other hand, I don't know how many unicorns there are. Unicorns come once in a lifetime so let me know when you pass away.
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Post by motorcitysam on Aug 25, 2023 13:57:20 GMT -5
Just a thought on the actual subject of this thread: I wish there were more home games, but actually, this isn't a bad schedule at all.
Playing Wayne State is a great choice for our exhibition game. It's a familiar foe that should draw better than most exhibitions.
Toledo is a good game to open the season, within driving distance, against a program that would make a great yearly rival if we could just start beating them more often.
Cincy, Ole Miss, Northwestern, and NC State should be good buy game payouts, with the Bearcats and Wildcats having the added bonus of being within driving distance.
LMU is hopefully the first game of a home and home, and also a fellow Jesuit program. Old heads like me remember the exciting LMU teams coached by Paul Westhead.
EMU, CMU, Ball State, and Ohio are recognizable opponents and should be good tests. I think it makes sense to play a lot of MAC schools, and we've got five on the schedule this year. I think that's a positive. I think those games garner more local interest than opponents like Tulsa, Charlotte, Bryant, etc.
SIU-Edwardsville is a winnable game and gives us an opponent a few days before opening up conference play.
The first OU game is at home the week after Thanksgiving, so we should have students around to attend the game.
It's not an easy schedule by any stretch, with no real "gimmes". Challenging, I'd call it.
Go Titans!
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Post by JDetroitTitan on Aug 25, 2023 14:16:14 GMT -5
I do think he's had a lot of bad breaks, but nonetheless, if we don't see some real progress this season, we should be seriously considering a change. -Covid -APR Band -Games cancelled on us that we couldn't reschedule against bottom feeders team in the division - The random ranking situation that the league low ranked us. We had the hardest schedule and best win % against top teams yet we still got down ranked. -The league not forcing make-up games ( we lost 2 home games that year) - Player opting out of of Post season tournament. -Always not having starters being eligible at the beginning of the season. If we are in the top 4 at the end of the season with a good shot at making a run in the HLT ok. If we are in the bottom 1/3 I am not okay with it and would agree with you about exploring other options (if no major bad breaks of major players out for the season)
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Post by Commissioner on Aug 25, 2023 14:32:59 GMT -5
If we go 6-5 in non-conference play I'd consider it a very, very good result. That means winning our home games against EMU and Ball State, beating SIUE and CMU on the road, and then winning two road games from opponents Toledo, Cincinnati, Ole Miss, Northwestern, Loyola Marymount, Ohio U., and NC State.
Note that Toledo, Ohio, and Loyola all are picked to finish near the top of their conferences. I would love to see us knock off a P6 for the first time in years. I think that is possible against any of the 4 we're playing, but they're all road games and while none of those teams are projected as top tier in their conferences, nor are they projected as conference bottom feeders.
I will be quite disappointed if we don't win 4. I would project us for somewhere between 3-8 and 5-6 in non-conference play.
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Post by joseph75 on Sept 7, 2023 14:42:05 GMT -5
College Sports Madness has listed their #61-#144 rankings. They add one new ranking each day. LMU #64, CIN #75, WT St #100 (#1 in HL) OHIO # 113, MIL #129 and TOL #143 Good read on each ranked team. Lists key return and key losses and all new incoming players.
Go Titans
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Post by lurker on Sept 13, 2023 16:23:09 GMT -5
Coach Davis, bring on sone cup cakes!
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Post by motorcitysam on Sept 14, 2023 10:24:51 GMT -5
49 days, 7 hours and change until we tip off against Wayne State. (Yeah, even with all of the concerns and uncertainty, I'm still getting excited about the upcoming season.)
Go Titans!
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