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Post by udballer on Jan 21, 2024 19:33:02 GMT -5
Would be an interesting time to resurrect the thread where everyone continued to reference the tangible benefits of AD's scoring chase.
At the end of the day... there was no benefit, as evidenced by the 0-20 record we sport this season.
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Post by Commissioner on Jan 21, 2024 21:30:44 GMT -5
Would be an interesting time to resurrect the thread where everyone continued to reference the tangible benefits of AD's scoring chase. At the end of the day... there was no benefit, as evidenced by the 0-20 record we sport this season. Yawn. We all understand that you see no benefits to a program being able to claim an All-American and the #2 scorer ever. Let it go.
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Post by motorcitysam on Jan 21, 2024 22:01:09 GMT -5
We should have realized from the beginning what the Davis’s brought in here thinking they had players and doing a sell job on us. I really think Davis can’t tell the difference between talented and non talented players. I thought once Antoine left maybe his eyes would open up to what a team needs to compete and win instead of what he needed to showcase AD, but I was wrong. The precursor to this season was there early for us when Wayne State easily handled us. Wayne State is not even an average D2 team, they are presently sitting in 9th place in the 10 team GLIAC. Just for anyone still left out there who thinks the Davis’s deserve one more chance! Looks to me like we probably would have a hard time finishing above .500 in the GLIAC. You know, I think that the staff has actually done a decent job of finding players who are better than expected or of developing average players into contributors. Obviously it's not reflected in the record this year, but we've often listed the players who have exceeded expectations here. Tankersly is obviously a talent that went unrecognized by a lot of coaching staffs; did he have any offers besides us? It's early days with Hurst and Oaks, but both of them seem to have what it takes to be contributors on this level, and neither appeared to be heavily recruited. Even a guy like Trent Johnson had a greater impact before his injury than what was expected from his recruiting profile. I know some people disagree, but I think it's tough to recruit players here. Maybe the young energetic coach that some are wishing for arrives and starts bringing in the talent, but I think it will take more than a coach.
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Post by titansforever on Jan 21, 2024 22:16:25 GMT -5
We should have realized from the beginning what the Davis’s brought in here thinking they had players and doing a sell job on us. I really think Davis can’t tell the difference between talented and non talented players. I thought once Antoine left maybe his eyes would open up to what a team needs to compete and win instead of what he needed to showcase AD, but I was wrong. The precursor to this season was there early for us when Wayne State easily handled us. Wayne State is not even an average D2 team, they are presently sitting in 9th place in the 10 team GLIAC. Just for anyone still left out there who thinks the Davis’s deserve one more chance! Looks to me like we probably would have a hard time finishing above .500 in the GLIAC. You know, I think that the staff has actually done a decent job of finding players who are better than expected or of developing average players into contributors. Obviously it's not reflected in the record this year, but we've often listed the players who have exceeded expectations here. Tankersly is obviously a talent that went unrecognized by a lot of coaching staffs; did he have any offers besides us? It's early days with Hurst and Oaks, but both of them seem to have what it takes to be contributors on this level, and neither appeared to be heavily recruited. Even a guy like Trent Johnson had a greater impact before his injury than what was expected from his recruiting profile. I know some people disagree, but I think it's tough to recruit players here. Maybe the young energetic coach that some are wishing for arrives and starts bringing in the talent, but I think it will take more than a coach.
That's a pretty good place to start though, don't you think?
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Post by motorcitysam on Jan 21, 2024 22:30:42 GMT -5
You know, I think that the staff has actually done a decent job of finding players who are better than expected or of developing average players into contributors. Obviously it's not reflected in the record this year, but we've often listed the players who have exceeded expectations here. Tankersly is obviously a talent that went unrecognized by a lot of coaching staffs; did he have any offers besides us? It's early days with Hurst and Oaks, but both of them seem to have what it takes to be contributors on this level, and neither appeared to be heavily recruited. Even a guy like Trent Johnson had a greater impact before his injury than what was expected from his recruiting profile. I know some people disagree, but I think it's tough to recruit players here. Maybe the young energetic coach that some are wishing for arrives and starts bringing in the talent, but I think it will take more than a coach.
That's a pretty good place to start though, don't you think? I think athletic director would be a much better place to start.
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Post by motorcitysam on Jan 21, 2024 23:07:31 GMT -5
We should have realized from the beginning what the Davis’s brought in here thinking they had players and doing a sell job on us. I really think Davis can’t tell the difference between talented and non talented players. I think the selling job was done by us to Davis. I think there have been a lot of things he expected that turned out not to happen or not to be true. The fund raising that was supposed to give us the "Road to the Championship" has not been successful. Kennedy has done his part as the Alumni leader, but the University support has not been apparent. Is this an excuse for a 0-20 record? NO, I am not saying that. I do believe that a young dynamic coach would have been a better fit in hindsight. There is a big difference between recognizing talent in ability in a player, which every College Coach has, and the ability to sign (and retain) that student athlete. Davis needs no help to evaluate talent. Signing and retention is a collaborative effort with many members of the University management and alumni. I do not believe that the collaborative effort has not been what he was "sold". Has this resulted in a fatalistic attitude by the coaching staff that affects their performance? I think so, especially when you add in COVID years and the academic sanctions from prior actions. Lots of good points there, Big Chuck. The Road to a Championship effort has been a source of frustration. I think Kennedy does a great job in his role, but the University does not appear to be making the most of the opportunity. The fundraiser back in October is a good example. It was hardly advertised; I am a donor and didn't receive any communication about it. I learned about it from an article on the website. Despite that, it appeared to be a well attended event, and had Detroit icons like Isiah Thomas and George Blaha in attendance. Unfortunately, the only pubicity I saw about it after the fact was a single social media post with a few picures. I couldn't make it, but bought a couple of tickets for friends, and they told me it was a really good event. Why we didn't publicize that, I have no idea. Seems like the success of an event like that would have been used as a means of generating more donations after the fact, and generating more publicity. If I was the coach, and the hang up with getting Liddell cleared to play last year was on the school and not an NCAA or player issue, as has been reported here, I'd be ticked off.
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Post by Commissioner on Jan 22, 2024 9:33:47 GMT -5
We won't go 0-31. In the modern era: Chicago State was 0-9 in truncated 2021 covid year. Grambling was 0-28 in 2013. NJIT was 0-29 in 2008. Savannah State, 0-28 in 2005 Prairie View, 0-28 in 1992 The Citadel 0-17 in 1955 Lots and lots of teams have won just 1 game. Starting to look like a money-losing prediction.
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Post by udballer on Jan 22, 2024 11:09:08 GMT -5
Would be an interesting time to resurrect the thread where everyone continued to reference the tangible benefits of AD's scoring chase. At the end of the day... there was no benefit, as evidenced by the 0-20 record we sport this season. Yawn. We all understand that you see no benefits to a program being able to claim an All-American and the #2 scorer ever. Let it go. Am I to believe that without the chase we'd have less than 0 wins or worse attendance? I really only care about the state of the program in total... not so much on individual achievements. We should recognize the past 5 years as the fun sideshow that it was. Letting it go in 3...2...1
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Post by Commissioner on Jan 22, 2024 12:23:15 GMT -5
Yawn. We all understand that you see no benefits to a program being able to claim an All-American and the #2 scorer ever. Let it go. Am I to believe that without the chase we'd have less than 0 wins or worse attendance? I really only care about the state of the program in total... not so much on individual achievements. We should recognize the past 5 years as the fun sideshow that it was. Letting it go in 3...2...1 Am I to believe that the measure of whether something helps the program is W-L record the very next year? Hah hah. I don't even quite know what your point it, though... that it was a bad thing and we should have rooted against AD?
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Post by calihanmole on Jan 22, 2024 13:24:58 GMT -5
MAKE DETROIT MERCY DETROIT AGAIN!
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Post by titansforever on Jan 22, 2024 13:50:38 GMT -5
VMI won on Saturday, so only two winless teams remain and we're one of them.
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Post by larrytitan on Jan 22, 2024 14:16:50 GMT -5
VMI is 4-15.
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Post by titansforever on Jan 22, 2024 20:10:17 GMT -5
It was their first Division I victory. I should have been more specific, my bad.
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Post by udballer on Jan 23, 2024 12:14:02 GMT -5
Am I to believe that without the chase we'd have less than 0 wins or worse attendance? I really only care about the state of the program in total... not so much on individual achievements. We should recognize the past 5 years as the fun sideshow that it was. Letting it go in 3...2...1 Am I to believe that the measure of whether something helps the program is W-L record the very next year? Hah hah. I don't even quite know what your point it, though... that it was a bad thing and we should have rooted against AD? That's a ridiculous conclusion to draw from my comments. ADs scoring and the direction of the program are mutually exclusive. That much should be evident at this point... and when the team's W/L record is 0 for the season, there's not much need to wait longer to make that comment. We've been watching a bottom feeder of a team for several years now. It just was masked because AD was on it. I've never said that ADs scoring chase was a bad thing, simply that it wouldn't provide tangible benefit to the basketball program in general. I'm certainly not going to rethink that position based on our #361 NET ranking the very next year. Maybe 20 years down the road we will pull in some high-level recruits that directly reference the scoring chase as the reason they picked us. I doubt it... but I guess anything is possible.
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Post by calihanmole on Jan 23, 2024 13:18:17 GMT -5
I wonder if the storm across the Midwest might prevent the team from traveling to Wisconsin? Should we even bother trying to go if it’s challenging? I’m no environmentalist, but I don’t think sending this team to lose two games by 40 points each is worth the carbon footprint.
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