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Post by motorcitysam on Jan 15, 2021 16:17:18 GMT -5
From Jon Rothstein on Twitter:
Longest winning steaks this season in college basketball:
Gonzaga (13) Drake (13) Boise State (12) Winthrop (12) Baylor (11) Michigan (11) Belmont (10) Utah State (9) Cleveland State (8) Toledo (8)
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Post by motorcitysam on Feb 28, 2021 17:32:48 GMT -5
As an HL fan, I'd hate to see Gates leave. Penn State is a tough job, but I am sure that Big Ten money would be hard to turn down.
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Post by upbasketballfan on Feb 28, 2021 17:37:17 GMT -5
As an HL fan, I'd hate to see Gates leave. Penn State is a tough job, but I am sure that Big Ten money would be hard to turn down. I thought Moser turned down a big job last year.
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Post by Rogobob77 on Mar 3, 2021 23:22:27 GMT -5
From ESPN+:
Dennis Gates, Cleveland State: No coach has raised his stock more than this season than Gates, who won a share of the Horizon League regular-season title and his second straight Horizon League Coach of the Year award. He took over a really difficult job in the summer of 2019, but has the Vikings with a chance at their first NCAA tournament appearance since 2009. Gates was a longtime Leonard Hamilton assistant at Florida State, and also has experience at Nevada and California. He's considered a prime candidate at Penn State and Boston College, and the Chicago native would undoubtedly be in the mix at DePaul as well.
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Post by Commissioner on Mar 10, 2021 9:56:35 GMT -5
So, where does CSU get seeded? Let's face it, 16 seeds lose. 15 seeds lose. Since the 64/68 team format began:
16th seeds are 1-139 15th seeds are 8-132, plus 1-7 in the second round.
However, 14th seeds begin to win games. At this point, you're playing a higher seed that may be not be in the top 10, and that almost certainly has a few more weaknesses.
14th seeds are 21-119, that is, they win the first round game just over 15% of the time, with a 14th seed pulling off an upset a bit more than once every other year.
And 13th seeds are 28-111 in the first round. You can figure 1 to 2 teams on the 13th/14th lines will advance in an average year.
To avoid a 15th seed, CSU has to be ahead of 10 teams--6 16th seeds (remember the play in games) and 4 15th seeds.
CSU has 1 "Quad 1" win, the victory over Wright State. It's 1-3 in Quad 1 games (losses @ Toledo, @ Wright State, @ Ohio State). What's really damaging is the lack of Quad 2/3 wins--literally zero. They're 0-1 Quad 2 (@ Ohio U), and have 0 quad three games. Detroit is done, of course, but if the right combination of other teams' games could push UD from 162 to 160, CSU would pick up a couple Quad 3 games, at least. Realistically, 160 or 162 is mostly chance, but to a tired committee member just glancing at the sheet, I'm sure it would make CSU look better. (Stupid move by Horizon to re-seed--a Titan team that was seeded 3rd, had a bye, and then beat YSU, would be a pair of Quad 3 games for CSU). CSU was also hurt because beating Milwaukee and Oakland did almost nothing for their NET rank. Especially in the final, they needed to beat Wright State, Detroit, or at least NKU to improve their NET. For example, Oral Roberts jumped 14 places winning the Summit title last night. CSU jumped 2 winning the Horizon.
Here's who is likely behind CSU: 1) Appalachian State (Sun Belt): Don't let Appalachian's 17-11 record fool you: 4 wins were over non-D1 teams. For Committee purposes, they're 13-11, with a #210 NET, and no Quad 1-2 wins (but 7 in Quad 3).
2) America East Champ (Hartford, 14-8, NET 170, or UMass-Lowell, 11-11, #207). I think Hartford, if it wins, could beat out CSU for a seed, but probably won't. UMass Lowell will be behind CSU, I think.
3) MEAC Champ TBD 4) SWAC Champ TBD
Maybe Behind CSU? 1) Mount St. Mary's (NEC), 12-10, #161. 0-2 against Quad 1, but with a Quad 2 win (@ Bryant) and 3-3 in Quad 3 games. 2) Oral Roberts (Summit), 13-10, #158. No Quad 1/2 wins for ORU, but 5 in Quad 3. If I had to guess, I'd say CSU is ahead of Mount St. Mary's but behind ORU.
Probably Ahead of CSU: 1) Drexel (Colonial): 12-7, #138. 2) Morehead State (OVC): 21-7, #122. 0-3 against Quad 1, 1-2 against Quad 2, but 6-1 against Quad 3.
That's only 7 teams so far, and probably just 5 or maybe 6. CSU needs a bunch of upsets in conferences where the favorite(s) would likely get a better seed, but other teams would not (e.g. the MAAC, WAC, Big Sky, Patriot, Southland).
At this point, I'd say a 15th seed looks likely, and a 16th more likely than a 14th.
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Post by titantarheel on Mar 10, 2021 10:18:53 GMT -5
Great post commish!
Lunardi (ESPN) has CSU as 15 seed. But as you note still a lot of hoops and bids to be sorted in next few days.
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Post by motorcitysam on Mar 10, 2021 11:27:32 GMT -5
Congrats to the Vikings on their regular season and conference tournament titles. Seems like that 101-46 loss to Ohio (featuring being on the wrong side of an NCAA record 40-0 run) was a long time ago. Gates has CSU way ahead of schedule, and their 2020 class was ranked #80 nationally. Their class of 2021 is off to a great start. If Gates stays, he has a lot of talent to work with. If he leaves for a better job, he has earned it.
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Post by Rogobob77 on Mar 12, 2021 8:27:43 GMT -5
From bchottakes on Twitter: “From multiple sources, Dennis Gates will be the Clement and Elizabeth Izzi Family Head Men’s Basketball Coach at Boston College. Announcement will be held until after Cleveland State's NCAA Tournament appearance.”
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Post by ptctitan on Mar 12, 2021 8:37:09 GMT -5
From bchottakes on Twitter: “From multiple sources, Dennis Gates will be the Clement and Elizabeth Izzi Family Head Men’s Basketball Coach at Boston College. Announcement will be held until after Cleveland State's NCAA Tournament appearance.” If true, I'll be glad to see his brand of basketball leave the HL. Makes sense for him because he is young and he has no front line depth returning next season. He can then battle his mentor Leonard Hamilton in the ACC. Look for a similar move by Scott Nagy at Wright State after the NIT - if the Raiders play. The school is in deep financial trouble. They are playing in D1 on a COVID waiver for not having enough D1 sports. It will be difficult for the university to justify reinstating those sports teams if the recently announced faculty cuts are not enough to stem the financial bleeding there. The financial problems existed before COVID. These problems are similar to those at EMU, WMU, and CMU, all of which lost enrollment to newer competing campuses at Oakland, Grand Valley, and Ferris State.
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Post by motorcitysam on Mar 12, 2021 13:26:44 GMT -5
From bchottakes on Twitter: “From multiple sources, Dennis Gates will be the Clement and Elizabeth Izzi Family Head Men’s Basketball Coach at Boston College. Announcement will be held until after Cleveland State's NCAA Tournament appearance.” If true, I'll be glad to see his brand of basketball leave the HL. Makes sense for him because he is young and he has no front line depth returning next season. He can then battle his mentor Leonard Hamilton in the ACC. Look for a similar move by Scott Nagy at Wright State after the NIT - if the Raiders play. The school is in deep financial trouble. They are playing in D1 on a COVID waiver for not having enough D1 sports. It will be difficult for the university to justify reinstating those sports teams if the recently announced faculty cuts are not enough to stem the financial bleeding there. The financial problems existed before COVID. These problems are similar to those at EMU, WMU, and CMU, all of which lost enrollment to newer competing campuses at Oakland, Grand Valley, and Ferris State. What's wrong with the Dennis Gates brand of basketball? His team is deep, unselfish, and not dependent on one player. They play hard and are mentally tough. They play good team and individual defense. What's not to like?
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Post by Commissioner on Mar 12, 2021 18:43:54 GMT -5
If true, I'll be glad to see his brand of basketball leave the HL. Makes sense for him because he is young and he has no front line depth returning next season. He can then battle his mentor Leonard Hamilton in the ACC. Look for a similar move by Scott Nagy at Wright State after the NIT - if the Raiders play. The school is in deep financial trouble. They are playing in D1 on a COVID waiver for not having enough D1 sports. It will be difficult for the university to justify reinstating those sports teams if the recently announced faculty cuts are not enough to stem the financial bleeding there. The financial problems existed before COVID. These problems are similar to those at EMU, WMU, and CMU, all of which lost enrollment to newer competing campuses at Oakland, Grand Valley, and Ferris State. What's wrong with the Dennis Gates brand of basketball? His team is deep, unselfish, and not dependent on one player. They play hard and are mentally tough. They play good team and individual defense. What's not to like? They finished ahead of us?
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Post by ptctitan on Mar 13, 2021 7:11:29 GMT -5
What's wrong with the Dennis Gates brand of basketball? His team is deep, unselfish, and not dependent on one player. They play hard and are mentally tough. They play good team and individual defense. What's not to like? I don't like watching their style of play because it uses excessive fouling to deny any flow to a game. You can play strong defense without fouling for the sake of disrupting flow; e.g., last night's OK State-Baylor game. For the same reason, I have never really liked watching Hamilton's FSU Seminoles either. You can respect Coach Gates' W-L results and the positive influence he has contributed to his players without liking the style he plays to achieve those results.
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Post by ptctitan on Mar 15, 2021 17:31:04 GMT -5
Boston College hires Earl Grant from College of Charleston as its next head coach. Link to ESPN article. Guess I'll have to adjust to more CSU style basketball. Or as Jay Bilas called Tre Gomillion on yesterday's selection show - "A linebacker in shorts."
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