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Post by rbj on Apr 4, 2024 15:01:39 GMT -5
"The man Montgomery is succeeding, Mike Davis, is a great X's and O's coach, but he took a much more passive approach to recruiting at Detroit Mercy. He made a lot of decisions off film, and liked to get his guys signed before they even visited campus. He often feared a player visiting campus would be a deal-killer". (T.Paul, DetNews,2024) I knew recruiting off of Youtube was a bad ideal, also getting players to sign before you've met them in person is also a terrible way to recruit. I dont know how Mike Davis conducted his campus visits, but I know that Ray McCallum did everything first class. Thats probably why they had so many one and done guys and players who disappeared without an explanation (Prince Oduro, Taurean Thompson, Donovan Toatley, Oton Jokovic). |
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Post by motorcitysam on Apr 4, 2024 15:29:06 GMT -5
"The man Montgomery is succeeding, Mike Davis, is a great X's and O's coach, but he took a much more passive approach to recruiting at Detroit Mercy. He made a lot of decisions off film, and liked to get his guys signed before they even visited campus. He often feared a player visiting campus would be a deal-killer". (T.Paul, DetNews,2024) I knew recruiting off of Youtube was a bad ideal, also getting players to sign before you've met them in person is also a terrible way to recruit. I dont know how Mike Davis conducted his campus visits, but I know that Ray McCallum did everything first class. Thats probably why they had so many one and done guys and players who disappeared without an explanation (Prince Oduro, Taurean Thompson, Donovan Toatley, Oton Jokovic). It's coming from Tony Paul, Oakland U employee and author of great hits such as "The Titans Are Trying to Hire Rick Pitino" and "The Horizon League Has A Rule That You Can't Play Five Road Games in a Row". I would doubt everything he says. I think the reason we had a lot of one and done guys has to do more with what the University and program has to offer. As far as them disappearing without explanation, that's been the athletic department's way of doing things for a long time. I'm sure Montgomery has a different style of recruiting. He came up under Izzo, who I have known to sit in a Saginaw barbershop for hours just talking to people when he was after a Saginaw prospect. Davis was an assistant under Knight, who at that stage in his career left most of his recruiting tips and visits to his assistants, while handling the campus visits himself. MD's style worked pretty well for him everywhere but here. |
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Post by ptctitan on Apr 4, 2024 15:56:12 GMT -5
Look at Sundance Weeks at GB. He wins mid-major coach of the year for his turnaround. Yet half his team, including his best player, are in the portal. One guy he brought in last year just committed to St. Thomas. None of his success mattered to half his roster.
We're coming off a 1-31 season versus GB, but our roster situations are starting to look more and more similar. Go figure.
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Post by ptctitan on Apr 4, 2024 16:11:07 GMT -5
Tyree and Tchikou in first photo.
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Post by ptctitan on Apr 4, 2024 16:52:28 GMT -5
Another photo and reporting by Tony Paul. Stone and Tankersley not at today's practice apparently.
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Post by akhorey on Apr 4, 2024 18:28:55 GMT -5
Tyree and Tchikou in first photo. Like I’ve said before stone is my guy and I’m sure he was there but the irony of him missing a meeting due to class is funny |
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Post by titanmike on Apr 5, 2024 8:19:50 GMT -5
I find it almost impossible to believe that none of our coaches ever made the 2.3 mile trip from Calihan to UDJ. I can not prove if they did or did not but I think Donnelly was included in some of our summer camps as staff! The only player actively recruited by Detroit from UDJ was Chris Jenkins which is why when he left Colorado, he ended up at U of D because Ray and Jay had a good relationship with him. After that not one other player was actively "recruited", some got "offers", but not much effort or time was put in by Detroit coaches. Its not the job of Pat D to put players at U of D, that's the relationship between college coaches, the players, and their parents. |
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Post by titantarheel on Apr 5, 2024 9:31:46 GMT -5
I find it almost impossible to believe that none of our coaches ever made the 2.3 mile trip from Calihan to UDJ. I can not prove if they did or did not but I think Donnelly was included in some of our summer camps as staff! The only player actively recruited by Detroit from UDJ was Chris Jenkins which is why when he left Colorado, he ended up at U of D because Ray and Jay had a good relationship with him. After that not one other player was actively "recruited", some got "offers", but not much effort or time was put in by Detroit coaches. Its not the job of Pat D to put players at U of D, that's the relationship between college coaches, the players, and their parents. All good points AND I'll add...that as successfully as UDJ has been on the court, they actually have produced a ton of D1 talent over the past decade. We weren't going to get Cassius. We got Jenkins on the boomerang. Sonny Wilson hopped past us to Toledo. Daniel Friday went to Brown (hard to compete with that). etc. Also there is generally a mentality that after 4 years (or 6 yr if you do the Academy) that getting away from the 7/Livernois area is intriguing and interesting to UDJ kids. |
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Post by motorcitysam on Apr 5, 2024 9:50:50 GMT -5
The son of a good friend of mine played at UDJ and told me that Titan coaches were frequent visitors there. Cassius Winston's father told me that Ray recruited Cassius early and consistently and maintained a relationship. I remember Cassius wearing Detroit Titan Basketball t-shirts at AAU events. Ray and his staff recruited the twin tower Cubs Ike Eke and Greg Eboigbodin, also.
I can't speak to what BA and Davis did, but McCallum certainly recruited UDJ players.
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Post by titanmike on Apr 5, 2024 11:16:35 GMT -5
The son of a good friend of mine played at UDJ and told me that Titan coaches were frequent visitors there. Cassius Winston's father told me that Ray recruited Cassius early and consistently and maintained a relationship. I remember Cassius wearing Detroit Titan Basketball t-shirts at AAU events. Ray and his staff recruited the twin tower Cubs Ike Eke and Greg Eboigbodin, also. I can't speak to what BA and Davis did, but McCallum certainly recruited UDJ players. While I don't discount what you are saying, in this case, I don't think that the source I have could be any better. I can only say opinions may differ on "actively recruiting" is and based on the source, I have zero doubt. Another item. As mentioned by UP Basketball, if the coach was helping at camps that would certainly explain at a minimum , Cassius in U of D gear, I would suspect Cassius wore MSU gear also. |
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Post by motorcitysam on Apr 5, 2024 11:23:06 GMT -5
The son of a good friend of mine played at UDJ and told me that Titan coaches were frequent visitors there. Cassius Winston's father told me that Ray recruited Cassius early and consistently and maintained a relationship. I remember Cassius wearing Detroit Titan Basketball t-shirts at AAU events. Ray and his staff recruited the twin tower Cubs Ike Eke and Greg Eboigbodin, also. I can't speak to what BA and Davis did, but McCallum certainly recruited UDJ players. While I don't discount what you are saying, in this case, I don't think that the source I have could be any better. I can only say opinions may differ on "actively recruiting" is and based on the source, I have zero doubt. Another item. As mentioned by UP Basketball, if the coach was helping at camps that would certainly explain at a minimum , Cassius in U of D gear, I would suspect Cassius wore MSU gear also. Should I discount what Winston's Dad told me, too? I feel like he's a pretty good source regarding whether or not his son was recruited hard by Coach Ray. |
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Post by upbasketballfan on Apr 5, 2024 11:32:42 GMT -5
I find it almost impossible to believe that none of our coaches ever made the 2.3 mile trip from Calihan to UDJ. I can not prove if they did or did not but I think Donnelly was included in some of our summer camps as staff! The only player actively recruited by Detroit from UDJ was Chris Jenkins which is why when he left Colorado, he ended up at U of D because Ray and Jay had a good relationship with him. After that not one other player was actively "recruited", some got "offers", but not much effort or time was put in by Detroit coaches. Its not the job of Pat D to put players at U of D, that's the relationship between college coaches, the players, and their parents. I think it was because Donnelly was steering them away. We did recruit Jones there, Cassius Winston, the two big guy Eke and Greg. I think Chris Jenkins tie with us was his father who I think was UD grad.. I remember Ray and Smith going over to quite a few UDJ games. I saw him at a Brother Rice home game against UDJ. I hope your good source isn’t Donnelly. It’s pretty hard to recruit kids if their HS coach is in the background undermining your efforts. In a lot of cases when you recruit a player you have to go through their coach. |
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Post by upbasketballfan on Apr 5, 2024 11:40:57 GMT -5
The son of a good friend of mine played at UDJ and told me that Titan coaches were frequent visitors there. Cassius Winston's father told me that Ray recruited Cassius early and consistently and maintained a relationship. I remember Cassius wearing Detroit Titan Basketball t-shirts at AAU events. Ray and his staff recruited the twin tower Cubs Ike Eke and Greg Eboigbodin, also. I can't speak to what BA and Davis did, but McCallum certainly recruited UDJ players. While I don't discount what you are saying, in this case, I don't think that the source I have could be any better. I can only say opinions may differ on "actively recruiting" is and based on the source, I have zero doubt. Another item. As mentioned by UP Basketball, if the coach was helping at camps that would certainly explain at a minimum , Cassius in U of D gear, I would suspect Cassius wore MSU gear also. We came close to getting Cassius! |
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Post by titanmike on Apr 5, 2024 12:01:31 GMT -5
While I don't discount what you are saying, in this case, I don't think that the source I have could be any better. I can only say opinions may differ on "actively recruiting" is and based on the source, I have zero doubt. Another item. As mentioned by UP Basketball, if the coach was helping at camps that would certainly explain at a minimum , Cassius in U of D gear, I would suspect Cassius wore MSU gear also. Should I discount what Winston's Dad told me, too? I feel like he's a pretty good source regarding whether or not his son was recruited hard by Coach Ray. I think we are coming at it from two different angles. If their is a way to message me. I can explain. It also doesnt mean that the recruitment was being done at UDJ. |
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Post by motorcitysam on Apr 5, 2024 12:19:06 GMT -5
Should I discount what Winston's Dad told me, too? I feel like he's a pretty good source regarding whether or not his son was recruited hard by Coach Ray. I think we are coming at it from two different angles. If their is a way to message me. I can explain. It also doesnt mean that the recruitment was being done at UDJ. Thanks for the offer, but that's not necessary. Semantics aside, your quote was "The only player actively recruited by Detroit from UDJ was Chris Jenkins". The parents of two different players and my own observations tell me something different. That's fine. It's not a big deal. |
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