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Oakland
Oct 11, 2022 10:01:32 GMT -5
Post by ptctitan on Oct 11, 2022 10:01:32 GMT -5
Just in case there was any question about the appearance of objectivity from this reporter.
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Oakland
Oct 11, 2022 10:30:53 GMT -5
Post by titantarheel on Oct 11, 2022 10:30:53 GMT -5
Deal surely hashed out over the various golf rounds Tony plays with Kampe each summer, and that he posts all about on his twitter account including all their funny inside jokes from the rounds and from over the years.
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Oakland
Oct 11, 2022 11:28:09 GMT -5
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Post by motorcitysam on Oct 11, 2022 11:28:09 GMT -5
Deal surely hashed out over the various golf rounds Tony plays with Kampe each summer, and that he posts all about on his twitter account including all their funny inside jokes from the rounds and from over the years. He's been publicly auditioning for that job for years. But is he going to have time to do that AND continue in his role Kampe's public relations rep?
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Post by titantarheel on Oct 14, 2022 10:29:25 GMT -5
Matt from Horizon Roundtable decided to take a screenshot of mine and Sam's relatively innocuous posts above about Tony's new gig and tweeted about it and tagged Tony on it. While it seems silly to have a back and forth on this board to his tweets I thought I'd at least say...
Tony DOES absolutely know more about HL hoops than anyone locally and has given constant coverage to mid-major hoops, more so than anyone at News or Freep.
The pearl clutching from Matt is a wee bit dramatic. Every time Dickie V shows up on ESPN calling a Duke game over the past 30 years, the opposing fan base vociferously questions whether he can really be objective in calling the game. This is true of whenever Dakic is on the call for a game. People questioning the perceived objectively of a reporter/announcer goes back to when reporting/announcing began. I don't know what red line Sam and I crossed that Matt seemed to see.
I'm all for people making money and getting their gigs. No mistaking that. It is just that Tony has been caught with his hand in the cookie jar a few times over the years with not being purely objective on reporting a story and seemingly getting alot of information directly from Kampe. These get discussed and analyzed on here when it happens so not worth re-hashing, but it seems to be at least an annual basis. This gives ALL of us pause when TP is on the beat esp when its an OU/UDM matter.
So anyhow, that is the last of it from me. I'm flattered that Matt from HRT (aka OUDrummer, aka the fan who is know for swearing off his fandom for the Grizz several times over the years), reads our board so religiously and cares and puts so much stock into what Titanic Titan posters such as Sam and myself have to say. I'm guessing he cares far more what I have to say on here than 99% of the posters/readers so a big thank you to Matt I suppose.
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Post by motorcitysam on Oct 14, 2022 13:16:15 GMT -5
Matt from Horizon Roundtable decided to take a screenshot of mine and Sam's relatively innocuous posts above about Tony's new gig and tweeted about it and tagged Tony on it. While it seems silly to have a back and forth on this board to his tweets I thought I'd at least say... Tony DOES absolutely know more about HL hoops than anyone locally and has given constant coverage to mid-major hoops, more so than anyone at News or Freep. The pearl clutching from Matt is a wee bit dramatic. Every time Dickie V shows up on ESPN calling a Duke game over the past 30 years, the opposing fan base vociferously questions whether he can really be objective in calling the game. This is true of whenever Dakic is on the call for a game. People questioning the perceived objectively of a reporter/announcer goes back to when reporting/announcing began. I don't know what red line Sam and I crossed that Matt seemed to see. I'm all for people making money and getting their gigs. No mistaking that. It is just that Tony has been caught with his hand in the cookie jar a few times over the years with not being purely objective on reporting a story and seemingly getting alot of information directly from Kampe. These get discussed and analyzed on here when it happens so not worth re-hashing, but it seems to be at least an annual basis. This gives ALL of us pause when TP is on the beat esp when its an OU/UDM matter. So anyhow, that is the last of it from me. I'm flattered that Matt from HRT (aka OUDrummer, aka the fan who is know for swearing off his fandom for the Grizz several times over the years), reads our board so religiously and cares and puts so much stock into what Titanic Titan posters such as Sam and myself have to say. I'm guessing he cares far more what I have to say on here than 99% of the posters/readers so a big thank you to Matt I suppose. I find it amusing that the HRT is so lacking content that they need to scout our message board for a topic to generate conversation. They're obviously overreacting. Good for him; he got a job. People are allowed to comment on it. Never thought that what we said was worthy of that reaction. It's true that TP is more knowledgeable aobut the HL than anyone locally, but that's a low bar. It's like saying I post more about DePaul than anyone else on this board. No one else has that beat. But overall I don't think TP adds much to area's college basketball coverage. Anything he says, you have to take with a grain of salt and wait to see if he has to retract it. This is a guy that read an obvious hoax post on this board about Rick Pitino and spread it like wildfire. He publicly claimed that Kampe was underpaid and justified that by calling Kampe more accomplished than the other HL coaches, apparently forgetting the resume of Mike Davis. If you only got your HL information from TP, you would be under the impression that OU's star freshman this year was going to be Momo Cisse. TP wrote a big article celebrating Cisse's verbal commitment to OU, but never mentioned him again once he de-committed. And of course there was the situation last year where TP published false information about the HL scheduling policy on consecutive road games, apparently taking Kampe's word for it and not bothering to take the two minutes it would take to verify. Careful though, if you raise some concerns with him, he might block you on social media. All of that is the truth. And that's already more time and words than I ever want to spend on TP. Go Titans.
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Post by uofdfan1983 on Oct 14, 2022 19:01:33 GMT -5
I like something simple that Sam wrote at the end of his last post here: Go Titans.
Now I don't agree with Sam on certain things and I used to care about DePaul, and Marquette and Xavier and......after seeing where we stand in the eyes of those schools, I really only give a rats ass about U-D anymore. So that makes me different from Sam.
And I get irritated sometimes with others on this board whom I disagree with, whom I think are too grumpy, too negative, too positive in the eye of the storm...etc etc.
But we all have one thing in common. We all care more about the Titans more than any other school (even The Mole, I think, still believes that??)
Anyway, my point is: if you believe in the Titans more than any other school, that puts you in an (unfortunately) too small of a club, but it also makes you special. It means you care more about this amazing place and want it to succeed AGAIN in hoops and other sports. That means you're part of our small little club. We all share that common desire and goal.
So no matter what you write, try something going forward. Positive, negative or neutral, end your post with: Go Titans. It's a way to close out by saying "I may disagree with someone here based on what I just wrote, but we're all on the same team." Remember that - we all want the same thing.
Go Titans!
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Oakland
Oct 15, 2022 6:44:10 GMT -5
Post by ptctitan on Oct 15, 2022 6:44:10 GMT -5
I started this issue by commenting about the "appearance of objectivity" when a reporter assigned to a certain sports beat becomes a part-time employee of one of the schools he covers in that beat. Neither TP nor the other guy addressed that issue. It's not enough to say that TP would continue to write accurately and objectively about things. What things would he choose to write about with us versus OU? How often would he write about us versus OU? How often would he write about the other HL schools versus OU? What would be the filter through which he writes? OU and Kampe? Why would any coach or player from any other HL school ever again talk on background or off the record to TP about anything? For our teams, TP's decision now places us in a more awkward position because now the News beat reporter is a part-time employee of our local rival. And the News through TP is the only local writer covering our league. I just don't like how this looks.
Now let's go out and win a lot of games this year!
Go Titans!!!!!
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Post by upbasketballfan on Oct 15, 2022 10:34:54 GMT -5
Looks like 3 years ago would have been the right time to tell TP’s employer that he is not welcome on campus and we do not want him around anything UD., but like other issues where we ignored the problem it has just festered.
Go Titans!
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Oakland
Oct 15, 2022 19:05:42 GMT -5
Post by Commissioner on Oct 15, 2022 19:05:42 GMT -5
Looks like 3 years ago would have been the right time to tell TP’s employer that he is not welcome on campus and we do not want him around anything UD., but like other issues where we ignored the problem it has just festered. Go Titans! Not welcome on campus? Why the hell not? We want Tony Paul on campus. We want him in love with the campus. We want him visiting the campus every single day. Part of the problem is that we don't do enough to get Tony Paul on campus. I'm not impressed by his journalism or his thin skin, but he's it, guys--the only game in town if you want regular, mainstream media coverage of the Titans.
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Oakland
Oct 15, 2022 21:25:22 GMT -5
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Post by upbasketballfan on Oct 15, 2022 21:25:22 GMT -5
Looks like 3 years ago would have been the right time to tell TP’s employer that he is not welcome on campus and we do not want him around anything UD., but like other issues where we ignored the problem it has just festered. Go Titans! Not welcome on campus? Why the hell not? We want Tony Paul on campus. We want him in love with the campus. We want him visiting the campus every single day. Part of the problem is that we don't do enough to get Tony Paul on campus. I'm not impressed by his journalism or his thin skin, but he's it, guys--the only game in town if you want regular, mainstream media coverage of the Titans. He has had full access and exclusive interviews and where has that gotten us? Usually any article about UD has some sort of positive reference about OU in the article. If our path to being more relevant is through TP then we are not going anywhere.
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Oakland
Oct 15, 2022 21:37:53 GMT -5
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Post by Commissioner on Oct 15, 2022 21:37:53 GMT -5
Not welcome on campus? Why the hell not? We want Tony Paul on campus. We want him in love with the campus. We want him visiting the campus every single day. Part of the problem is that we don't do enough to get Tony Paul on campus. I'm not impressed by his journalism or his thin skin, but he's it, guys--the only game in town if you want regular, mainstream media coverage of the Titans. He has had full access and exclusive interviews and where has that gotten us? Usually any article about UD has some sort of positive reference about OU in the article. If our path to being more relevant is through TP then we are not going anywhere. What, pray tell, do we gain from your approach ? My general belief, apparently unlike yours, Is that one should try to promote your program with the tools at hand, and that anger and spite are not generally conducive to wise decision making.
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Oakland
Oct 16, 2022 1:59:16 GMT -5
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Post by upbasketballfan on Oct 16, 2022 1:59:16 GMT -5
He has had full access and exclusive interviews and where has that gotten us? Usually any article about UD has some sort of positive reference about OU in the article. If our path to being more relevant is through TP then we are not going anywhere.uote]What, pray tell, do we gain from your approach ? My general belief, apparently unlike yours, Is that one should try to promote your program with the tools at hand, and that anger and spite are not generally conducive to wise decision making. Commish I have been a successful decision maker my entire life. Anger and spite have never influenced my professional decisions and are rare in my personal decisions. Finding flaws and weaknesses and being able to correct them without emotional ties is a skill. A problem needs to be recognized in order for it to be corrected! Titan Athletics is not being promoted with the tools at hand! GO TITANS!
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Oakland
Oct 16, 2022 2:08:27 GMT -5
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Post by upbasketballfan on Oct 16, 2022 2:08:27 GMT -5
Oakland does get way too much mileage on this board.
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Post by ptctitan on Oct 16, 2022 5:24:41 GMT -5
When "the only game in town" becomes a part-time employee of your local in-conference rival, you deal with that fact by limiting your communications with him to on-the-record statements. You still invite him to media events and cooperate with his reporting. You answer his questions at press conferences or on the phone. But you never ever give him any more information on background or off the record. You never ever give him a story to break. You deal with him professionally and politely, but at arm's length. And you then seek to cultivate a different media person to use if you want to break news of any kind. You trust him to report accurately what you say to him on the record, but no further. And you keep receipts. But these decisions are up to PJ Gradowski.
Now back to focusing on getting W's.
Go Titans!!!!!
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Oakland
Oct 21, 2022 8:42:15 GMT -5
Post by titantarheel on Oct 21, 2022 8:42:15 GMT -5
Didn't want to bog down the Scoreboard thread with OU thoughts, so drifted over here.
In the Horizon Roundtable preview of the OU team on Rocket Watts it was mentioned: "He is a prolific scorer that is now going to be in an offense that asks him to display that skill and get his."
In Commish's recap he commented: "Rocket Watts was not sharp, shooting 3-11 (1-6 from behind the arc) and finishing with 11 points. But Watts led the Grizzlies in minutes played and shots. That might tell us something about what OU's offense is going to look like"
I strongly disagree with the HRT preview on Watts based on seeing him at State for 2 years, and it appears stat wise he continued his similar play at Miss St. Watts is a good player to be sure, but he will be more of a swiss army knife. He will be a leader, he will hustle, he will play tough nosed defense. He will do it all. The one thing he absolutely is NOT is a prolific scorer, well at least his 3 years of high level D1 ball suggests that to be the case. He's always done all the little (and important) things to make his team better. I would've really liked to see him as a Titan. His shooter %'s speak for themselves. He is a career 27% shooter behind the arc and 37% overall - each season being roughly the same. His two years at State saw him average roughly 8-9 pts per game, 2 rebounds, 2 assists, and a steal per game. Similar to OU with Jalen Moore, at MSU he was the sidekick to another great PG in Cassius Winston. I think he will settle in nicely as a result of that.
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