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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2018 12:09:35 GMT -5
One thing's for sure, they have kept the candidates/interviewee list extremely close to the vest. Not a leak, not even a drip. I guess they don't want another Titans related poll selecting the "winner".
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Post by ptctitan on Apr 4, 2018 15:40:05 GMT -5
From Coaching Changes on Twitter
Hearing that Detroit is looking at NBA coaches and former NBA players....... would set the program back further than it already is doing right now. AD Vowels better listen closely...........
Ernie Zigler
Cornell Mann
Preston Murphy
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Post by JDetroitTitan on Apr 4, 2018 17:16:56 GMT -5
From Coaching Changes on Twitter Hearing that Detroit is looking at NBA coaches and former NBA players....... would set the program back further than it already is doing right now. AD Vowels better listen closely........... Ernie Zigler Cornell Mann Preston Murphy My concern with picking assistant coaches is it’s a big gamble. There is a big step up from assistant to head coach in D-1. You have to be able to hire the right staff, manage them, recruit the right players that fit in your style of play, manage the players, handle the press, handle the administration...etc NBA coaches I feel there are few that can’t go into a college program that has never coach and make it successful because of the energy you need to put into it. There is less games in a season but more work for less pay. NBA players have the least amount of of experience so they have the biggest risk in my eyes. |
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Post by Commissioner on Apr 4, 2018 19:22:57 GMT -5
I agree Jdetroit. I really think we need someone who has been a successful D-I coach, though I could probably be sold on Bronkema. Unfortunately, by getting a late start in the process, the pool of candidates from low majors looking to move up is much smaller than it would have been had BA been let go the day after the HL Tournament loss.
Looking back, beyond not hiring BA, I wish he'd been let go after the SMD incident, and JJ made interim for the year. We'd have seen what JJ could do, and he'd either have claimed the job or not. And if not, we'd have known even before the season ended, and been out getting candidates.
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Post by rbj on Apr 4, 2018 19:49:08 GMT -5
I agree Jdetroit. I really think we need someone who has been a successful D-I coach, though I could probably be sold on Bronkema. Unfortunately, by getting a late start in the process, the pool of candidates from low majors looking to move up is much smaller than it would have been had BA been let go the day after the HL Tournament loss. Looking back, beyond not hiring BA, I wish he'd been let go after the SMD incident, and JJ made interim for the year. We'd have seen what JJ could do, and he'd either have claimed the job or not. And if not, we'd have known even before the season ended, and been out getting candidates. Or Vowels could've dismissed on 3/3/18. Does anyone have any ideal why Vowels always waits to fire coaches? |
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Post by titanmac on Apr 4, 2018 21:50:09 GMT -5
woulda coulda shoulda’s i think so too commish. actually thats kinda what i thought was happenning. i think ba got in a pissing contest with vowels then? over who knows what? maybe an apology? maybe somethin else. i think thats why it dragged on...no basis for any of this. just seems plausible....
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Post by ptctitan on Apr 5, 2018 6:15:46 GMT -5
I don't think that we have the luxury anymore of choosing our HC candidates. That's how far the program has fallen and how close to the edge we skate currently. We may not have any candidates for the job who have been successful D-1 head coaches. Ernie Ziegler was an unsuccessful D-1 head coach at CMU. There's risk in hiring anyone. We may not have the option desired by Commissioner.
Murphy is about the same age as Bacari. He has a degree in Finance from URI. He's punched all of the right tickets along the way as an assistant. He is an outsider in the sense that his playing and coaching experience are mainly A-10 ad Big East oriented.
Mann is a bit older than Bacari. He has connections to the metro Detroit area. His Twitter handle is @8milecorn. He played at Akron. A lot of his assistant coaching experience comes from the MAC.
The real issue for any new coach is can he hire and retain a good staff. That's the real problem of waiting longer than usual to replace a head coach.
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Post by Commissioner on Apr 5, 2018 8:09:44 GMT -5
Just to banter about some names from the lower head coaching ranks, here's four:
Bashir Mason, Head Coach, Wagner. I've mentioned him a couple times, and if I were Vowels he's a person I'd reach out to. Just 34 years old, 110-79 in 6 years at Wagner. Wagner has won the Northeast Conference Regular Season twice in the last 3 years, including this year, when they finished 23-10. (Robert Morris is probably the best known NEC program. The Conference is, with 1 exception, private schools, half of them Catholic.) Played at Drexel (4 straight years on Colonial All-Defensive team), then was an assistant for two years at Marist and then to Danny Hurley two years at Wagner and was promoted when Hurley went to Rhode Island. Being mentioned for other jobs, including St. Peter's. He's an east coast kid, but an urban kid, a product of urban, Catholic primary and secondary schools. No scandal, no drama. The Titans could definitely offer a big pay increase while paying less than Bacari got. Mason would probably be my top choice, pre-interview.
Jon Coffman, Head Coach Fort Wayne. Coffman is 78-53 in 4 yrs at Ft. Wayne. 44 years old. His contract calls for a $155,000 base salary in 2018-19, then to $175,000 in 2020. His graduation rates (APR) have been in the top 10% nationally. He was an assistant at Emory & Henry, a little D-III school that has produced several mid-major coaches. Assistant at Charleston, Stetson, Colgate, and then IPFW before being promoted to head coach. He's recruited the Michigan market some and also had success recruiting in Chicago.
Jamion Christian, Head Coach, Mt. St. Mary's. 101-95 in 6 yrs at St. Mary's, 18-14 this year, 20-16 with NEC regular season and conference tournament championships in 2017. Just 35 yrs. old. Another guy from the Emory & Henry coaching tree. Also worked as assistant at Bucknell, Wm & Mary, and for Shaka Smart at VCU. Known for his up-tempo offense and "havoc" defense.
Donte Jackson, Head Coach, Grambling. Just 1 year as a head coach at D-I, but got 17-14 record at Grambling, first winning season for Grambling since 2006 and most wins since 1981. From Milwaukee, played at Milwaukee and Central State. Was 60-42 in 4 yrs as head coach at D-II Central State (Ohio) and then 66-21 in 3 years at D-II Stillman. Coaching at HBCUs, he's used to working with tight budgets--also served as AD his last year at Stillman. He's 40 years old. I have a hunch he could recruit the midwest urban centers pretty well. That's his roots.
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Post by Titan Jim on Apr 5, 2018 9:36:08 GMT -5
I find it hard to believe that Robert Vowels would consider someone from a smaller school. The possible exception to that rule would be Andy Bronkema, because he is coming from a highly successful program. Vowels comes from a big school and was a Department Head in a big organization. My guess is that would be his bias. Of course, I do not know if the final decision is his or that of a search committee.
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Post by Commissioner on Apr 5, 2018 10:03:24 GMT -5
I find it hard to believe that Robert Vowels would consider someone from a smaller school. The possible exception to that rule would be Andy Bronkema, because he is coming from a highly successful program. Vowels comes from a big school and was a Department Head in a big organization. My guess is that would be his bias. Of course, I do not know if the final decision is his or that of a search committee. You may be right about Vowels. My concern with Bronkema is that Ferris is the only place he's coached, assistant or head. By no means a disqualifier, but I would prefer someone who's made a few stops and had steady success, and a proven D-I coach is probably our safest course right now, but one that still has upside. I'll be more nervous with another P6 assistant or an NBA guy with no experience as a college coach. Ptc is right that we may not have the choices we used to have, but as I suggested at the top of this thread, we're still better than a lot of jobs, starting with the fact that there are a lot of low-major D-I coaches who could get a big pay bump at UofD. The decline of the conference is a big issue, but it still has pluses compared to many, including access to lots of talent. |
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Post by motorcitysam on Apr 5, 2018 20:05:27 GMT -5
I agree Jdetroit. I really think we need someone who has been a successful D-I coach, though I could probably be sold on Bronkema. Unfortunately, by getting a late start in the process, the pool of candidates from low majors looking to move up is much smaller than it would have been had BA been let go the day after the HL Tournament loss. Looking back, beyond not hiring BA, I wish he'd been let go after the SMD incident, and JJ made interim for the year. We'd have seen what JJ could do, and he'd either have claimed the job or not. And if not, we'd have known even before the season ended, and been out getting candidates. Or Vowels could've dismissed on 3/3/18. Does anyone have any ideal why Vowels always waits to fire coaches? I have no inside scoop on the hiring/firing process for the past two coaches, but I wouldn't be surprised if it took awhile to pull the trigger for a couple of reasons: One, there was an effort underway to raise funds for the buyout of the out going coach and it took awhile to secure the funds. Two, opinions were split among the decision makers/influencers about whether or not to fire the coach and it took awhile to build consensus for the decision. Gotta figure there was some reason that the decisions weren't official for weeks until after the season ended. |
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Post by ptctitan on Apr 6, 2018 5:06:41 GMT -5
Here are the remaining open D-1 HC jobs that are unfilled as of the time of this post.
1. Chicago State - RPI #338
2. Delaware State - RPI #351
3. Detroit - RPI #318
4. FL International - RPI #290
5. La Salle (Rumor is that Ashley Howard will get job) - RPI #205
6. MD Eastern Shore (Will let top assistant be interim HC for 2018-19 season & then look) - RPI #347
7. St. Peter's (HC left to take job at Marist in same conference) - RPI #253
8. UNC-Asheville (HC left to take Middle Tenn. job after MTSU coach went to Ole Miss) - RPI #127
Today, UT-Arlington is expected to announce the hiring of Chris Ogden, a Texas Tech assistant, to replace Scott Cross who was abruptly fired for undisclosed reasons. According to sources, UT-A bought out Cross' remaining 2 years and $720,000 for $400,000. UTA went 21-13 and had a final RPI of 112.
If you rank the open slots by last year's RPI, then you can see how weak we are currently compared to the rest of D-1.
1. UNC-Asheville
2. La Salle
3. St. Peter's
4. FIU
5. Detroit
6. Chicago St.
7. MD-Eastern Shore
8. Delaware St.
We may be an attractive position in our minds because we recall the past. However, the recent past is very sobering. We are buy-in fodder.
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Post by ptctitan on Apr 6, 2018 7:28:08 GMT -5
From Coaching Changes just after 8 am:
We are now hearing Michigan State assistant DJ Stephens is now involved with Detroit.....
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Post by Commissioner on Apr 6, 2018 7:33:26 GMT -5
Current RPI has little to do with how attractive a coaching job is. There is almost no way that UNC Asheville or St. Peter's, for example, are more attractive jobs. They have fewer resources, pay less, less tradition... . Of course, many coaches may prefer them--they want to be on the East Coast, for example, so they'd prefer St. Peter's. You can never "dictate" who is interested in your job, but the Titan job is still a better job than probably 150 or so D-I positions.
I think we need someone who has proven he can run a D-I program successfully.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2018 8:08:19 GMT -5
Per Coaching changes on twitter
I feel like this is similar to (background wise) but better overall than BA and way better than some of the other "common" names everyone is coming up with. But still not inspiring - I hope they think outside the box with some of their other candidates.
I really expect a coach to be hired very soon. At the latest by the middle of next week
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