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Post by fan on Sept 24, 2023 10:57:16 GMT -5
MD clearly built the team around Ad to feature his skills, and it worked for AD. Sadly not for the team or program. Ray built a team around Ray Jr. It was not a team that only featured Jr. The Jr teams were better in every way than the AD teams. I'm not diminishing AD in any way, he was great, but his teams were not.
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Post by royaloakdave on Sept 24, 2023 11:47:02 GMT -5
MD clearly built the team around Ad to feature his skills, and it worked for AD. Sadly not for the team or program. Ray built a team around Ray Jr. It was not a team that only featured Jr. The Jr teams were better in every way than the AD teams. I'm not diminishing AD in any way, he was great, but his teams were not. Totally agree, AD great however, his teams were not. For the upcoming season; I believe we'll be solid in the back court and wing/small forward. In the front court, it's contingent upon Tchikou's eligibility and the effectiveness of Jankovic and Tryee Davis.
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Post by ptctitan on Sept 24, 2023 12:04:03 GMT -5
I think the passage of time has dulled many memories on how close to the brink of failure the 2011-12 team came. Minnerath was lost to injury. Holman was suspended for the first 10 games. We had a losing record at the two-third's point of that season. A lot of fans then were getting restless about the "Daddy-ball" of Ray and Ray Jr. We finished 9-2 and swept the HL tourney to flip the script completely. We went from 9-11 on January 20th to 22-14 in March. This is why I don't give up - especially before the season is even played. Especially in the HL.
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Post by fan on Sept 24, 2023 12:26:42 GMT -5
Except during the AD/MD era we never ended "daddy ball" did we? Beyond AD we never had a Minnerath, or Holman, or Simon or any really good support player.
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Post by titan4life on Sept 24, 2023 14:48:11 GMT -5
Has anyone ever considered Rashad Phillips as next coach? He is a true titan and knows the game very well. Plus has connections locally that could boost recruiting. I know he has limited coaching experience. Just a thought
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Post by ptctitan on Sept 24, 2023 16:13:49 GMT -5
Except during the AD/MD era we never ended "daddy ball" did we? Beyond AD we never had a Minnerath, or Holman, or Simon or any really good support player. That's true except for maybe 2020-21 when we had Kuol, Fraser, Brandon, and Noah. If we had been able to play the quarterfinal game vs NKU on a neutral court or at home, who knows? But that year, using its secret Covid formula, the HL seeded us below NKU and several other teams with lower winning percentages. When your best player happens to be your son, as a coach, you should want the ball in his hands most of the time. That's why this year, I'm looking forward to see how we play now that there is no coach's kid on the roster - even though we still have a player named Davis on it.
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Post by motorcitysam on Sept 24, 2023 17:50:11 GMT -5
I don't think Davis or McCallum coached "daddy ball" when their sons were on their rosters. Young Ray played a very efficient, team oriented game, and blended in well with his teammates. He could have scored more if that was the goal of the head coach. AD scored more than Ray, and took more shots, but I didn't see an abundance of bad shots coming from him. Coach Ray seemed to try to add talented scorers to go along with young Ray, rather than creating a team that funneled most shots to his son. Coach Davis seems to have tried to do the same thing Coach Ray did, but has had less success. I think both coaches tried to build deep, talented teams, and valued team success over the individual success of their sons. Their sons were the leading scorers, but their sons were also clearly the best players on the team. It made sense that they were the leading scorers.
In fact, the only time I saw "daddy ball" at Calihan Hall was with Jermaine Jackson, Jr. JJJ was gifted a starting job and a lot of shots, at the expense of better, more experienced players. The insistence of putting him in the starting lineup meant an unbalanced lineup and an uneven offensive attack. THAT was coaching "daddy ball".
You know who else coached "daddy ball"? Press Maravich.
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Post by motorcitysam on Sept 24, 2023 18:14:28 GMT -5
Except during the AD/MD era we never ended "daddy ball" did we? Beyond AD we never had a Minnerath, or Holman, or Simon or any really good support player. That's true except for maybe 2020-21 when we had Kuol, Fraser, Brandon, and Noah. If we had been able to play the quarterfinal game vs NKU on a neutral court or at home, who knows? But that year, using its secret Covid formula, the HL seeded us below NKU and several other teams with lower winning percentages. When your best player happens to be your son, as a coach, you should want the ball in his hands most of the time. That's why this year, I'm looking forward to see how we play now that there is no coach's kid on the roster - even though we still have a player named Davis on it. People always overlook Matt Johnson's role on the 2020-21 team. I believe last year's team was constructed to be better than the 2020-21 team. Davis, Stone, and Liddell were a legitimate three pronged scoring attack, and the roster included lots of hgher level experience with Anderson, Oliver, and Moss. That team had all the pieces to finish near the top of the HL and be a threat to win the conference tournament. Unfortunately, we saw very little of that team, due mostly to the delay in getting Liddell cleared (which was reportedly due to poor work by the athletic department staff) and the unexpected academic issues of Stone. It's a "what could have been" situation, one of many that Titan fans have experienced. This year's roster doesn't look anywhere near as good as the rosters of 2020-21 and last season look in hindsight, but both of those rosters had players who surprised me by playing much better than expected. I am hopeful that I am pleasantly surprised again.
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Post by hyperion on Sept 25, 2023 2:38:44 GMT -5
I think Reality beats Wishful Thinking, every time. Most of us know that we will be in for a tough losing season. No tangible or practical reasons that points otherwise.
I was astounded that a lot of you wanted Ray Sr. gone. All I ask is that you remain consistent and don’t settle for less than what you thought Ray should have been.
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Post by ptctitan on Sept 25, 2023 5:27:38 GMT -5
I think that many fear another bad season because: 1) Davis has produced only 1 winning season in 5 years here, 2) with few exceptions, the players are unknowns to us, 3) we play a tough non-conference schedule predominantly on the road, 4) Tchikou needs a waiver and that process has never gone smoothly for us, and 5) two announced players left for unannounced reasons. The real problem is that we don't know much about the team because there appears to be no planned PR campaign about anything in Athletics. Everything appears to be reactive and last minute. The existing playbook is simply re-run every year. The only people trying to shake things up are outside the bureaucracy and not even employees of the university, Dan Kennedy/RTC and the The Shield NIL Collective. That's why, if you can, support both efforts so the outside alumni have leverage to exert against the bureaucracy's inertia. Go to Dan's event at Z's on October 6th so RTC can gain more funding leverage and influence to exert. Buy your throwback Titan gear from The Shield so the profits go to our players on the teams you support instead of some outside company in a another State. Whoever coaches here will encounter this sclerotic university bureaucracy.
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Post by Commissioner on Sept 25, 2023 19:06:06 GMT -5
Has anyone ever considered Rashad Phillips as next coach? He is a true titan and knows the game very well. Plus has connections locally that could boost recruiting. I know he has limited coaching experience. Just a thought I may be mistaken here, but I believe that the Titans currently have a coach. This thread seems to be getting a bit ahead of reality.
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Post by Commissioner on Sept 25, 2023 19:07:31 GMT -5
I am not familiar with one million, two million…….please educate me as to its meaning Me either.
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Post by upbasketballfan on Sept 26, 2023 0:25:37 GMT -5
I am not familiar with one million, two million…….please educate me as to its meaning Me either. How about “Big cigars and Motor Cars” they both pretty much mean the same thing.
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Post by Commissioner on Sept 26, 2023 6:17:18 GMT -5
How about “Big cigars and Motor Cars” they both pretty much mean the same thing. Nope.
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Post by upbasketballfan on Sept 26, 2023 7:58:32 GMT -5
How about “Big cigars and Motor Cars” they both pretty much mean the same thing. Nope. False,Fake, Fraud, A Clown, Not Real, an attempt to look successful but without substance, etc.
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