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Post by upbasketballfan on Apr 26, 2021 14:42:54 GMT -5
Again, I don't know how you can say that without knowing their replacements. If we replace them with Patrick Baldwin and Efton Reed, we'll be a whole lot better. Remember, a year ago you'd probably never heard of Marquel Fraser or Bul Kuol. Time to be patient and wait. I agree, I'd not like to lose Fraser or Johnson. My guess is that we lose Fraser but keep Johnson. But we just have to wait and see. I agree with Up - we are weaker than last year (so far) and the way Davis recruits (and with the current state of college basketball), every year seems like a rebuild. I thought Kuol was our best player. (And I'm pretty sure Fraser is leaving too, so we are going to feel some more pain). I also agree with Commish - we don't know who else is coming and we have been told to expect some P5 talent incoming (although I'd really prefer some quality high school talent so it doesn't always feel like a rebuild), so we need to be patient. It could be August before we know the entire roster - so maybe extremely patient is more like it I did know about Kuol before his arrival at Detroit. I watched 4-5 Cal Bap. games and always wondered why he didn't get more time. He was coming of off an injury for awhile but always did a lot when he was on the floor and he seemed to improve the team. So no surprise when he left CB but I was surprised that we got him. I have also been watching McAdoo for a few years and am really surprised we signed him. If Davis does not think our two upcoming So. guards are not better than him then he should tell them so and let them decide what they want to do from this point forward. I was hoping for Langford who I think would fit into our team really well. As far as Baldwin and Reed if Davis can recruit them to Detroit then I think we should double his salary and sign him to another 5 yrs. My gut tells me we have about the same chance of getting these two guys as we do of finding a NCAA loop hole and bringing Labron in to complete his college education. |
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Post by motorcitysam on Apr 29, 2021 5:34:35 GMT -5
From the posts above, it looks like Harvey, Curran, and McAdoo will all need to request waivers. Am I reading that right?
Again, I don't know why the NCAA is continuing the waiver process after granting the one time exception. Maybe waivers are just for this year, given the uniqueness of the time, with the pandemic, extra year, etc.?
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Post by ptctitan on Apr 29, 2021 8:09:44 GMT -5
As I understand the situation, the NCAA has passed a one-time free transfer rule that permits an athlete to transfer without needing a waiver one time in his collegiate career if he/she meets certain criteria. The only thing different about this year is the date for putting your name in the transfer portal for a winter sport like basketball. You get more slack this year.
If you are an undergraduate student transferring this year and you have transferred before then you will need a waiver to gain immediate eligibility. The same applies to a grad transfer who has transferred before.
In our case, all of our new players identified so far likely will need waivers because they transferred before. However, each one of them has a strong case for a waiver because all of them sat out out a year in their prior transfers. Harvey sat out a year at Vandy. McAdoo sat out a year at Bradley. Curran did not play last year at FL Southern because the school cancelled the season due to COVID. All of them are in good academic standing. As long as our compliance department gets all of their paperwork together properly and submits its early, my expectation is that the NCAA will have a speedy process for waivers like these; but guys like Rashad Williams who received waivers in the past may find it a longer slog through an NCAA process that will be filled with waiver requests. The NCAA better have its ducks in a row. And our compliance department also better have its ducks in a row early.
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Post by calihanmole on Apr 29, 2021 9:37:02 GMT -5
Our athletic director is an absolute expert at filing NCAA waivers, so rest easy everyone.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2021 12:00:45 GMT -5
As I understand the situation, the NCAA has passed a one-time free transfer rule that permits an athlete to transfer without needing a waiver one time in his collegiate career if he/she meets certain criteria. The only thing different about this year is the date for putting your name in the transfer portal for a winter sport like basketball. You get more slack this year. If you are an undergraduate student transferring this year and you have transferred before then you will need a waiver to gain immediate eligibility. The same applies to a grad transfer who has transferred before. In our case, all of our new players identified so far likely will need waivers because they transferred before. However, each one of them has a strong case for a waiver because all of them sat out out a year in their prior transfers. Harvey sat out a year at Vandy. McAdoo sat out a year at Bradley. Curran did not play last year at FL Southern because the school cancelled the season due to COVID. All of them are in good academic standing. As long as our compliance department gets all of their paperwork together properly and submits its early, my expectation is that the NCAA will have a speedy process for waivers like these; but guys like Rashad Williams who received waivers in the past may find it a longer slog through an NCAA process that will be filled with waiver requests. The NCAA better have its ducks in a row. And our compliance department also better have its ducks in a row early. I would assume that possible players that might be leaving U of D that are grad transfers (Fraser, Johnson), who received a waivers to transfer here, may think twice if they need waivers to transfer again. |
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Post by motorcitysam on Apr 29, 2021 12:34:52 GMT -5
As I understand the situation, the NCAA has passed a one-time free transfer rule that permits an athlete to transfer without needing a waiver one time in his collegiate career if he/she meets certain criteria. The only thing different about this year is the date for putting your name in the transfer portal for a winter sport like basketball. You get more slack this year. If you are an undergraduate student transferring this year and you have transferred before then you will need a waiver to gain immediate eligibility. The same applies to a grad transfer who has transferred before. In our case, all of our new players identified so far likely will need waivers because they transferred before. However, each one of them has a strong case for a waiver because all of them sat out out a year in their prior transfers. Harvey sat out a year at Vandy. McAdoo sat out a year at Bradley. Curran did not play last year at FL Southern because the school cancelled the season due to COVID. All of them are in good academic standing. As long as our compliance department gets all of their paperwork together properly and submits its early, my expectation is that the NCAA will have a speedy process for waivers like these; but guys like Rashad Williams who received waivers in the past may find it a longer slog through an NCAA process that will be filled with waiver requests. The NCAA better have its ducks in a row. And our compliance department also better have its ducks in a row early. I would assume that possible players that might be leaving U of D that are grad transfers (Fraser, Johnson), who received a waivers to transfer here, may think twice if they need waivers to transfer again. I bet a lot of guys around the country are re-thinking now. Especially some of these guys looking to attend their fourth school. And guys like Michael Flowers, who transferred from WMU and got a waiver to play at South Alabama just this past season. |
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Post by Commissioner on Apr 29, 2021 14:36:22 GMT -5
I would assume that possible players that might be leaving U of D that are grad transfers (Fraser, Johnson), who received a waivers to transfer here, may think twice if they need waivers to transfer again. I bet a lot of guys around the country are re-thinking now. Especially some of these guys looking to attend their fourth school. And guys like Michael Flowers, who transferred from WMU and got a waiver to play at South Alabama just this past season. And many of these guys have already committed. Does Flowers no go sheepishly back to USA and ask to keep his scholarship? |
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Post by Commissioner on May 6, 2021 7:36:03 GMT -5
I've updated the roster/scholarship table at the top of the first page of this thread.
It's getting darn near impossible to figure out who has eligibility left, who needs to sit a transfer year, etc., but I think I've got it right. Also, I've projected players forward even if it is unlikely they'll stay. For example, AD has two more years of eligibility. I'd be surprised (though not stunned) if he stayed both seasons. Waterman still has 4 years of eligibility--I'd be stunned if we see him in a Titan uniform in February of 2025.
I don't expect to see Taurean Thompson back, but there's been no announcement of any kind. I also don't expect Bryon Ottrix is going to become a Titan, but we will see.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2021 7:59:52 GMT -5
I've updated the roster/scholarship table at the top of the first page of this thread. It's getting darn near impossible to figure out who has eligibility left, who needs to sit a transfer year, etc., but I think I've got it right. Also, I've projected players forward even if it is unlikely they'll stay. For example, AD has two more years of eligibility. I'd be surprised (though not stunned) if he stayed both seasons. Waterman still has 4 years of eligibility--I'd be stunned if we see him in a Titan uniform in February of 2025. I don't expect to see Taurean Thompson back, but there's been no announcement of any kind. I also don't expect Bryon Ottrix is going to become a Titan, but we will see. Nice job! We better hope that Thompson and Ottrix are not on the team (nothing against either guy - just talking scholarship numbers here) because if they are (& no one else leaves), that is our team for 2021-22 - all 13 scholarships are accounted for. I think a lot of fans don't realize/understand that Fraser & Johnson leaving does not open up any scholarships for us to sign replacements, since (due to the waiver given to last season's seniors allowing them to return this upcoming season) they were not going to count against next season's scholarship limit |
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Post by upbasketballfan on May 6, 2021 8:36:27 GMT -5
Maybe Thompson is our other big. Davis did a nice job of curing the problems his big from Auburn had when he was at TS. Maybe he can fix this one also. Might not be as big a project as the kid from Detroit you all seem to want him to take a chance on. This guy is already here and he knows exactly what he has and has had exposure to the program for a year. We seem to get displeasure when Davis looks to have forced someone out but now here we are hoping he does? When we did offer Thompson he came unlike the other guy who doesn't seem to want to be here if he can go elsewhere.
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Post by ptctitan on Jun 1, 2021 6:43:20 GMT -5
It is likely that we will learn more news this month because the NCAA is permitting teams to grant room and board aid to players during the summer semester without the requirement that players need be enrolled in any classes. During the permitted time periods this summer, and unlike last summer that was complicated by governmental and university COVID restrictions, the staff will be permitted to work with all players on installing the offense and defense ahead of the first day of official practice. This will make a big difference for a lot of teams, including us, who are integrating new players into their systems. For us, it makes an extra difference because the new assistant, Donnie Marsh, will get be able to acquaint the new players with his defensive concepts. I heard that Marsh starts today. I believe that this NCAA period begins June 28th.
Overall, the quality of college basketball should be much better early in the schedule.
Remaining slots: post player and wing(s). If the plural of wing turns out to be true, we could see another current player move to walk-on status or leave. But I expect all of this to be settled over the next two weeks.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2021 9:58:01 GMT -5
It is likely that we will learn more news this month because the NCAA is permitting teams to grant room and board aid to players during the summer semester without the requirement that players need be enrolled in any classes. During the permitted time periods this summer, and unlike last summer that was complicated by governmental and university COVID restrictions, the staff will be permitted to work with all players on installing the offense and defense ahead of the first day of official practice. This will make a big difference for a lot of teams, including us, who are integrating new players into their systems. For us, it makes an extra difference because the new assistant, Donnie Marsh, will get be able to acquaint the new players with his defensive concepts. I heard that Marsh starts today. I believe that this NCAA period begins June 28th. Overall, the quality of college basketball should be much better early in the schedule. Remaining slots: post player and wing(s). If the plural of wing turns out to be true, we could see another current player move to walk-on status or leave. But I expect all of this to be settled over the next two weeks. |
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