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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2022 10:41:18 GMT -5
Scheduled for Saturday in the Basketball Classic: Youngstown State (19-14) @ Wofford (19-13) 2:00 pm (2nd Round Game) Y State advances!? Here are the "terrific twelve" teams left: UTEP W. Illinois Portland New Orleans SC Upstate South Alabama FGCU Youngstown Fresno St Southern Utah Merrimack Coastal Carolina
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Post by Commissioner on Mar 18, 2022 12:49:33 GMT -5
Man the Classic seems disorganized.
When the Las Vegas 16 8 had its one-year run, I thought they had a good formula: bring all the teams to one central location, where a lot of people want to go anyway (personally, I can't stand Vegas, but lots of folks feel differently). People have at least a few days to make plans (as opposed to the NIT/Classic where there is maybe 1 or at most two-three days between selection and first round game); it's attractive for the team; if you can get a few hundred fans from each participant, along with a few local hoops junkies, you can have decent attendance. But the Vegas 8 was incompetently run and thus ran for just 1 year. Now the CBI has gone to that format.
I think there is room for the Classic and it can work, but they need to do a few things: 1. Cut back to 16 teams 2. Reinstate the original CIT rule that teams must be at least .500 to play; 3. work harder to have teams committed well before the final weekend of play. No team with an NET over 100 is going to get an NIT bid, and they ought to be able to pin teams down sooner. 4. work regional match-ups harder.
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Post by Rogobob77 on Mar 18, 2022 12:59:20 GMT -5
Man the Classic seems disorganized. When the Las Vegas 16 8 had its one-year run, I thought they had a good formula: bring all the teams to one central location, where a lot of people want to go anyway (personally, I can't stand Vegas, but lots of folks feel differently). People have at least a few days to make plans (as opposed to the NIT/Classic where there is maybe 1 or at most two-three days between selection and first round game); it's attractive for the team; if you can get a few hundred fans from each participant, along with a few local hoops junkies, you can have decent attendance. But the Vegas 8 was incompetently run and thus ran for just 1 year. Now the CBI has gone to that format. I think there is room for the Classic and it can work, but they need to do a few things: 1. Cut back to 16 teams 2. Reinstate the original CIT rule that teams must be at least .500 to play; 3. work harder to have teams committed well before the final weekend of play. No team with an NET over 100 is going to get an NIT bid, and they ought to be able to pin teams down sooner. 4. work regional match-ups harder. I was just about to suggest pretty much the exact same changes if they want to have a “Basketball Classic” next year. And they should spend a couple hundred dollars on developing a decent website. This year’s tournament process should be a bit of a humbling learning experience for the organizers.
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Post by Commissioner on Mar 19, 2022 14:30:53 GMT -5
Drake drubbed Fort Wayne today in the CBI, so the last Horizon league team playing is Youngstown State in the Basketball Classic. So fearsome are the Penguins, however, that Wofford simply forfeited to them today.
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Post by Commissioner on Mar 20, 2022 13:16:04 GMT -5
Houston beats Illinois in today's first game. That means in the first 9 teams to qualify for the Sweet 16 come from 9 different conferences. Wonder when we last saw that.
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Post by Rogobob77 on Mar 20, 2022 22:23:23 GMT -5
The Basketball Classic seems to have magically moved to the quarterfinal round. Here are the matchups:
Florida Gulf Coast vs. Costal Carolina USC Upstate vs. South Alabama Southern Utah vs. UTEP Youngstown St. vs. Fresno St.
Appears that Western Illinois, Portland, Merrimack and New Orleans were bounced from the tournament, perhaps at their own request.
I gleaned the above from the ESPN website section listing this week’s college basketball schedule, nothing yet on the Basketball Classic website regarding upcoming games.
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Post by Commissioner on Mar 20, 2022 23:34:10 GMT -5
The Basketball Classic seems to have magically moved to the quarterfinal round. Here are the matchups: Florida Gulf Coast vs. Costal Carolina USC Upstate vs. South Alabama Southern Utah vs. UTEP Youngstown St. vs. Fresno St. Appears that Western Illinois, Portland, Merrimack and New Orleans were bounced from the tournament, perhaps at their own request. I gleaned the above from the ESPN website section listing this week’s college basketball schedule, nothing yet on the Basketball Classic website regarding upcoming games. Well, Western Illinois and New Orleans lost. But Portland won, and Merrimack still hasn't played. 21 is not an ideal number to begin a bracketed tournament!
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Post by Commissioner on Mar 20, 2022 23:44:52 GMT -5
Sweet 16 by Conference
ACC (3): Duke, UNC, Miami Big 12 (3): Kansas, Texas Tech, Iowa State, Big 10 (2): Purdue, Michigan PAC 12 (2): Arizona, UCLA Big East (2): Villanova, Providence. SEC (1): Arkansas WCC (1): Gonzaga American (1): Houston MAAC (1): St. Peter's
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Post by Rogobob77 on Mar 21, 2022 8:52:20 GMT -5
The Basketball Classic seems to have magically moved to the quarterfinal round. Here are the matchups: Florida Gulf Coast vs. Costal Carolina USC Upstate vs. South Alabama Southern Utah vs. UTEP Youngstown St. vs. Fresno St. Appears that Western Illinois, Portland, Merrimack and New Orleans were bounced from the tournament, perhaps at their own request. I gleaned the above from the ESPN website section listing this week’s college basketball schedule, nothing yet on the Basketball Classic website regarding upcoming games. Well, Western Illinois and New Orleans lost. But Portland won, and Merrimack still hasn't played. 21 is not an ideal number to begin a bracketed tournament! The tournament website now showing Portland still somehow in the mix: THURSDAY, MARCH 23 or FRIDAY MARCH 24 TBA vs. Portland (19-14)
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Post by calihanmole on Mar 21, 2022 8:55:18 GMT -5
Man, what a shit show The Classic turned out to be.
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Post by uofdfan1983 on Mar 21, 2022 9:45:54 GMT -5
Doesn't look like the "Classic" will return next year in its current form, if at all.
We better be looking at the NCAA Tourney ONLY next year. Watching all these NCAA games makes me realize: 1. There are bigs out there. Most of them have limited games, but you have to have 2 or 3 bruisers just to fight in the paint, grab boards and block shots. We need to find 2 competent big men to balance out our roster. 2. If you don't come with a great defensive mindset and a great defensive gameplan, you go home quickly. 3. The teams that win are the teams that want it most, play great team D, and have the ability to make tough shots and score from all over the court - inside, mid-range and have to be able to hit some 3s.
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Post by Rogobob77 on Mar 21, 2022 11:58:45 GMT -5
Man, what a shit show The Classic turned out to be. From a post on the YSU message board: “So Merrimack was the latest to withdraw and we're down to 9 teams. Portland gets the bye to the quarterfinals. YSU really didn't get the forfeit win over Wofford but 3 of the 2nd round winners will now have to advance to the semi-finals and 1 of the 2nd round winners will have to play Portland in the quarterfinals. “There's 4 southern schools, 4 western schools & YSU left. Would certainly think if YSU can beat Fresno St they would get the bye and make the southern Utah/UTEP winner play Portland. Can't see them making the USC Upstate/So. AL winner or FL GC/Coastal Carolina winner play Portland. But who knows with this tourney as not much has made sense.”
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Post by calihanmole on Mar 21, 2022 13:17:21 GMT -5
I’m glad we made the investment to play this year, but I think moving forward the post season needs to fundamentally change for teams that don’t make the NCAA or NIT.
Basketball is a tough sport academically, as it starts in early November and doesn’t end until early March with conference tournaments. I understand that for many schools MBB is the flagship sport, and so any kind of postseason is a benefit bc it gets your guys more practices and games. Plus, it signals to recruits that you’re serious. However, I don’t think this extra travel and days missed from the classroom makes much sense. If it was up to me I’d let schools form their own 4 team mini tournaments after conference tournaments and just play them at campus sites a weekend or two after conference tournaments. Even with CBI, which does has some pretty good teams, a lot of these players are missing a lot of school.
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Post by fan on Mar 21, 2022 15:00:14 GMT -5
High Schools let all the schools play in the playoffs, the NCAA should let all the D1 schools play in March, there are 300 plus D 1 schools, by letting all the schools play it just adds another round, 150 + first-round games, the second round gets down to almost the opening round number of games. By opening up, the playoffs to all will eliminate the garbage like TBC.
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Post by udmperry on Mar 21, 2022 15:25:07 GMT -5
I agree but then again don’t all the conference tournaments sort of serve that function already? With NCAA at large bids being sort of second chance for a lot of teams? My guess? Big conferences would never give up on the dough their tournaments make and the chance that so often there are two teams that can claim to be conf champs—— regular season and tournament though I know strictly speaking tournament champs are conf champs?
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