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Post by titantarheel on May 8, 2021 10:30:37 GMT -5
Even if I or the average person out there doesn’t know EXACTLY what went down, or the nuances of the letter, or exactly what the complaints were, and where blame exactly lies with (coach, players, parents)...all of the press and PR of this has been decidedly negative to the university and the program. It’s not even close. And for that loads of blame goes to the coaches, the AD and the university as we sit and are viewed in a negative light over and over as this story unfolds and is RE told. Ugh.
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Post by motorcitysam on May 8, 2021 15:09:08 GMT -5
Since 2011-12/13, almost all of the major stories involving our basketball program (men and women's) has been negative. Thank God we had NCAA and NIT berths around that time.
It's exhausting. Hopefully things start changing soon.
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Post by joseph75 on May 8, 2021 19:13:18 GMT -5
The only way things will improve is if we have new leadership in the athletic department. Right now we don't have a program in MBB we have rent a player. All those players who left might not be looking for greener pastures, but have no confidence in the coach. We have only 1 P5 commit so far, not the 4 or 5 coach suggested in the Zoom call. I am more skeptical each day. Motorcitysam nailed it in his post above.
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Post by ptctitan on May 9, 2021 5:49:57 GMT -5
I thought this topic concerned the women's BB program.
The date of the parents' letter was January 17th. Two assistant directors of enforcement at the NCAA were cc'd. The letter asked the AD the following (page 4):
Four days later, the AD announced an investigation; but also he placed the entire women's BB program on administrative leave. Because these parents involved NCAA enforcement from the outset, the university cannot answer publicly to these claims until there is a response from NCAA enforcement.
I would simply note here that in the past 2 consecutive years, there have been two player-coaching revolts involving two different women's teams with new coaches navigating losing streaks - both of which were supposed to be supervised directly by the same Associate AD. Coincidence?
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Post by upbasketballfan on May 9, 2021 7:28:05 GMT -5
I thought this topic concerned the women's BB program. The date of the parents' letter was January 17th. Two assistant directors of enforcement at the NCAA were cc'd. The letter asked the AD the following (page 4): Four days later, the AD announced an investigation; but also he placed the entire women's BB program on administrative leave. Because these parents involved NCAA enforcement from the outset, the university cannot answer publicly to these claims until there is a response from NCAA enforcement. I would simply note here that in the past 2 consecutive years, there have been two player-coaching revolts involving two different women's teams with new coaches navigating losing streaks - both of which were supposed to be supervised directly by the same Associate AD. Coincidence? You mention two player-coaching revolts. I am showing my age but I do not think I was aware of another problem aside from WBB.
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Post by ptctitan on May 9, 2021 8:09:17 GMT -5
I am showing my age but I do not think I was aware of another problem aside from WBB. Women's lacrosse in the 2019-20 season. In that case, the coach lost.
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Post by upbasketballfan on May 9, 2021 20:00:51 GMT -5
I am showing my age but I do not think I was aware of another problem aside from WBB. Women's lacrosse in the 2019-20 season. In that case, the coach lost. From the looks of the W - L since, it looks like the University and the players lost also. They went from successful to being very unsuccessful quickly.
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Post by Rogobob77 on May 9, 2021 20:09:45 GMT -5
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Post by motorcitysam on May 9, 2021 21:16:57 GMT -5
Like you said in the first post of this thread, this is a Charlie Foxtrot.
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Post by ptctitan on May 10, 2021 5:15:38 GMT -5
If the main purpose of fielding the women's BB team is to provide opportunities for those players to pursue their personal dreams, then don't complain about the team's abysmal W-L record. Scott had recruited a team of solid student-athletes who always excelled in the classroom. But they were never going to be competitive in the HL. And that's OK if the main purpose for the team is being a vehicle for the individual players to pursue their individual dreams by using the basketball scholarship as a means to achieve their personal goals.
As one coaching adage goes, "There are no "I's" in team, but there are two "U's" in the word that motorcitysam calls "Charlie Foxtrot."
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Post by bigchuck on May 10, 2021 6:24:11 GMT -5
If the main purpose of fielding the women's BB team is to provide opportunities for those players to pursue their personal dreams, then don't complain about the team's abysmal W-L record. Scott had recruited a team of solid student-athletes who always excelled in the classroom. But they were never going to be competitive in the HL. And that's OK if the main purpose for the team is being a vehicle for the individual players to pursue their individual dreams by using the basketball scholarship as a means to achieve their personal goals. As one coaching adage goes, "There are no "I's" in team, but there are two "U's" in the word that motorcitysam calls "Charlie Foxtrot." I do not accept your conclusion. The last successful WBB team's starters included 2 CPAs and a Dentist. They did not practice at 3-5 in the afternoon when all the labs were conducted. They practiced early in the morning so the STUDENTS could attend their classes. Scott did not get the job done. He would be the first to tell you that. That doesn't mean the job is cannot be done. We absolutely can be competitive in the HL and maintain our Jesuit values and traditions as a private Christian University. If not, what have we become?
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Post by motorcitysam on May 14, 2021 6:07:35 GMT -5
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Post by ptctitan on May 14, 2021 6:34:55 GMT -5
How do you mean "worse?"
Do you mean that none of the players' claims could be substantiated by the independent outside law firm that investigated them?
“Any concern from a student-athlete about health or safety receives my highest priority," Vowels said in a statement provided to the Free Press on Thursday night. "Every concern expressed from this team was heard by athletic and university administration immediately following the initial letter that was sent from the team and parents on Jan. 17. For the next two days, I listened first-hand to every member of the team and took appropriate action to look into each situation. We then conducted an internal fact-finding by an independent outside legal counsel and the allegations were not substantiated which led to us retaining the head coach."
"In the months since concerns were first expressed, we have put steps in place to ensure compliance going forward and assure a safe and healthy environment for all student-athletes in this and every program. Also, our Athletic Academic Services Office works closely with all student-athletes to ensure they remain eligible to compete and complete their academic degree requirements."
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2021 6:42:37 GMT -5
I'm so embarrassed and frustrated with the Athletic Department over the past few years. I'm at the point that I'm just about done with my alma mater
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Post by motorcitysam on May 14, 2021 6:54:34 GMT -5
I'm so embarrassed and frustrated with the Athletic Department over the past few years. I'm at the point that I'm just about done with my alma mater It seems that for a long time the University has had a tendency to not get in front of stories like this, basically letting others write the narrative. We're always in "catch up" mode, and by the time the school makes a statement, public opinion has already been set. It's a mess that keeps getting messier.
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