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Post by ptctitan on Mar 13, 2023 15:27:34 GMT -5
From the Detroit News (subscription required): “Why did Detroit Mercy, Davis get left out? CBI chief 'wrestled with decision'” www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/2023/03/13/why-did-detroit-mercy-davis-get-left-out-cbi-chief-wrestled-with-decision/70004172007/A couple excerpts: "You know, when this all sort of came up, we were undecided, and we sort of evaluated it and talked to them a number of times throughout the week," Rick Giles, president of the Gazelle Group, which runs the CBI, said in an interview with The Detroit News on Monday afternoon. "There's not any single one thing that caused us to move forward without them. After just weighing all the different factors, we just decided that we would move forward with the teams that we had.” “Giles, when asked multiple times, denied any influence from third parties. He said the CBI never heard from the NCAA, the family of ‘Pistol’ Pete Maravich, or officials at or alums of LSU, Maravich's alma mater.” You know, Mr. Giles, if you guys were really just undecided about us, then why was the CBI's official Twitter account pumping interest in Antoine and our school just a few hours after we lost to YSU with Antoine 4 points short of setting a new record? Our W-L record is on us, but your PR is on you. Our team really wanted to play - for Antoine and for the school. You guys at the CBI milked it for your own benefit. Every time you called us, you were just using us so you could extract every last drop of PR for your tourney from Antoine's fame. Nevertheless, we were ready to go last Wednesday. If you had invited us, we would have accepted. Go Titans! |
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Post by ptctitan on Mar 13, 2023 15:34:18 GMT -5
Anyone else think it’s weird that the official CBI Twitter account has made two tweets about the Titans tonight after the loss? Seems a bit unusual. Could be some 23 year old marketing coordinator just messing around. Could mean UDM already had an agreement in principle to play in the CBI should we not make the NCAA. From the 3/13/23 Detroit News article on the CBI’s snub of the Titans: "I don't handle our Twitter account, but I think the tweet was more in response to all of that discussion and maybe to get the discussion going a little bit," Giles said. "I think it was a healthy discussion to have. It was interesting to see how strongly people feel about Pete Maravich and what he accomplished, and equally how strongly people feel about Antoine Davis and everything he accomplished. ... I don't regret that (tweet). I think that was just part of the dialogue that was occurring at that time." Oh! So, he did hear from the pro-Maravich side of the argument. CBI was dictating the terms and conditions from the outset. When they won't send you a definite invite, what are you supposed to think? We were always just their back-up plan in case some teams declined to play. |
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Post by motorcitysam on Mar 13, 2023 15:42:41 GMT -5
I have no inside knowledge, but this is what I think happened.
When AD fell just short of the record, I think the CBI saw an opporunity to get more eyes and attention on their tournament than ever before. I think that's why they sent out those tweets shortly after the Titans loss. I believe at the time they intended to invite the Titans, and I think the Titans planned on accepting.
I do think the CBI got some pushback on the idea, be it from the SEC, the Maravich family, or whoever. And I do think that the CBI was influenced by that pushback, and made the decision to not invite the Titans. Seems like a dumb decision to me; they actually would have had the attention of the college basketball media for the first time in the history of the tournament, even if it was only for one game. When was the last time the CBI had a compelling story that captured the attention of other people besides the fans of the teams who were playing? Is USC Upstate going to bring a lot of attention? Radford? Tarleton? It would seem that the CBI leadership shot itself in the foot for no good reason.
Despite the loud voices complaining about "buying a record" or otherwise diminishing AD's accomplishment, it seems as if there has also been a significant contingent of fans in support of the Titans getting the CBI bid and AD breaking the record. In fact, if you looked at the responses to the CBI tweet of their bracket last night, you would find that there were as many people (if not more) complaining about Detroit not being in the field as there was saying they were glad the CBI left us out.
Of course, it didn't help that Dick Vitale was public and on record about being against the idea of Detroit playing in the CBI.
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Post by nctitan on Mar 13, 2023 19:58:58 GMT -5
Is USC Upstate going to bring a lot of attention? Radford? Tarleton? Quick quiz: Without looking up anything, where is USC Upstate? Where is Radford? Where is Tarleton? |
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Post by fan on Mar 13, 2023 20:41:19 GMT -5
My take; there are so many reasons why we are sitting home and AD is 4 points short;
1) The terrible policy of playing all those pre-league games on the road, for 5 years the team won only a handful of those games. Surely AD might have picked up 4 points with more home games. These games could
have been with low D1"s, like LIU, or St Frances of NY or PA. I know we talked about the team needing the money, but if they could afford 1/2M a year for a coach, these should have been enough money to pass on a Washington State game and book an NJ Tech at home.
2) The school needs to learn D1 basketball is a business, and not run it like the Sisters of the Poor they need to make deals and be proactive. Maybe they should have got Vitale on the phone 2 or 3 years ago and kissed his butt and get him behind AD. Maybe they should have made a deal with the CBI the first call, if they wanted the game for AD, maybe offer extra money, as soon as the HL tournament was over they were dead in the water 3 HL teams in the CBI were not going to happen. Maybe befriend some big Detroit sponsors to co-sponsor the tournament. Maybe buy air time to get the game on some cable station, and spread some money, Adell Broadcasting at one time ran some U of D game, they have the WORD Network all over.
3) Maybe MD needed to get on the phone and call everybody he has to know to push AD, and call in some markers.
I think the good ole boy network pushed hard to keep the U of D from another game, it seems like there was no way they wanted a kid from Detroit to own that record. Doesn't it seem strange that YSU tripled-teamed AD his last 3 or 4 possessions in a game they had in the bag, Kampe did the same thing, this whole thing stinks? Maybe somebody called those schools, who knows
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Post by Commissioner on Mar 13, 2023 21:59:15 GMT -5
Is USC Upstate going to bring a lot of attention? Radford? Tarleton? Quick quiz: Without looking up anything, where is USC Upstate? Where is Radford? Where is Tarleton? Well, I'm pretty sure that South Carolina-Upstate is in South Carolina. Because I have an acquaitance who used to teach there, I do know that Radford is in western Virginia (but not West Virginia). Tarleton? Beats me. Is there a state called Tarleton? Anyway, as Sam notes, I'm sure basketball fans all over America are interested in whether or not USC Upstate plays and wins, and curious about watching their star player, Jordan Gainey, who didn't lead the nation in scoring but was 5th in the Big South Conference and is only 2556 points away from Maravich's record! That will generate far more fan interest for the CBI than taking Detroit would have done. |
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Post by hyperion on Mar 13, 2023 22:57:27 GMT -5
CBI was all in. I think this drama started and ended with the coaches and that several coaches did not want to play us.
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Post by fan on Mar 14, 2023 9:21:08 GMT -5
Tarleton is Tarleton State in Texas, part of the Texas A&M system, looks like a good-sized school.
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Post by titansforever on Mar 14, 2023 12:21:44 GMT -5
SC Upstate is the former South Carolina-Spartanburg. The late Eddie Payne (Belmont Abby, ECU, Oregon State) was their longtime coach and led them from DII to DI.
Radford (like Longwood and James Madison) was an all-women's school and (along with no-coed Mary Washington College) was the state-supported answer to UVa, which was all-male until the late 1960s or early 1970s, and VMI, all-male until the early 2000s (I think).
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Post by motorcitysam on Mar 14, 2023 18:33:16 GMT -5
My take; there are so many reasons why we are sitting home and AD is 4 points short; 1) The terrible policy of playing all those pre-league games on the road, for 5 years the team won only a handful of those games. Surely AD might have picked up 4 points with more home games. These games could have been with low D1"s, like LIU, or St Frances of NY or PA. I know we talked about the team needing the money, but if they could afford 1/2M a year for a coach, these should have been enough money to pass on a Washington State game and book an NJ Tech at home. 2) The school needs to learn D1 basketball is a business, and not run it like the Sisters of the Poor they need to make deals and be proactive. Maybe they should have got Vitale on the phone 2 or 3 years ago and kissed his butt and get him behind AD. Maybe they should have made a deal with the CBI the first call, if they wanted the game for AD, maybe offer extra money, as soon as the HL tournament was over they were dead in the water 3 HL teams in the CBI were not going to happen. Maybe befriend some big Detroit sponsors to co-sponsor the tournament. Maybe buy air time to get the game on some cable station, and spread some money, Adell Broadcasting at one time ran some U of D game, they have the WORD Network all over. 3) Maybe MD needed to get on the phone and call everybody he has to know to push AD, and call in some markers. I think the good ole boy network pushed hard to keep the U of D from another game, it seems like there was no way they wanted a kid from Detroit to own that record. Doesn't it seem strange that YSU tripled-teamed AD his last 3 or 4 possessions in a game they had in the bag, Kampe did the same thing, this whole thing stinks? Maybe somebody called those schools, who knows I agree with a lot of that, but not the "kissing Vitale's butt" thing. The University has been doing that for decades with very little to show for it. They would be better off looking elsewhere for a partner and advocate. We're in the Motor City, yet we seem to have no relationship with any of the car companies, not even with a dealership. This whole season just has the feeling of another great opportunity lost. We didn't capitalize on the great career of AD just like we didn't make the most out of the momentum we had in 2010-2013. It's frustrating. |
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Post by fan on Mar 15, 2023 11:16:06 GMT -5
AD was such a plus and wasted, I don't understand, the sponsorship thing, this town has the Big 2 (or 3 by a different name), it seems to be the pizza company capital and 2 of the major mortgage companies are here.
As for Vitale, it seems he likes the ego thing, but he seems to be in the "in crowd" in college basketball, there should have been a path to get more from him, especially after the court naming.
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Post by motorcitysam on Mar 15, 2023 12:13:36 GMT -5
AD was such a plus and wasted, I don't understand, the sponsorship thing, this town has the Big 2 (or 3 by a different name), it seems to be the pizza company capital and 2 of the major mortgage companies are here. As for Vitale, it seems he likes the ego thing, but he seems to be in the "in crowd" in college basketball, there should have been a path to get more from him, especially after the court naming. It does seem as if the University should have been able to lock into some profitable long term donor relationships when the City had 2 million people and was awash with cash. And even now, in a smaller, less rich City, there would seem to be the opportunity to cultivate those relationships. We did seem to put all of our eggs in the Dickie V basket, unfortunately. Ironically, he had the reputation in college basketball as a great fundraiser. Unfortunately for us, he was so impressed by U-D naming the floor after him that he gave 1 million dollars to Notre Dame.  |
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Post by calihanmole on Mar 17, 2023 12:59:08 GMT -5
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Post by calihanmole on Mar 17, 2023 12:59:43 GMT -5
Could be a Vegas 16 situation? Maybe the PS4?
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Post by Rogobob77 on Mar 17, 2023 13:32:47 GMT -5
This can’t be real. It takes the NCAA six months to approve any of UDM’s requests for a waiver involving player eligibility, and they’re going to approve a new post-season tournament in a few days? |
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