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Post by upbasketballfan on Sept 19, 2023 18:50:53 GMT -5
Added some more information NBA average salary = $5.4 million (lowest paid $1.1 mil and highest paid $52 mil a year) WNBA average salary = $120,600 (lowest paid $62,285 and highest paid $252,240 a year ) Mans Euro League = $500K-$800K yr Spain League = $250K - 500K yr Turkey league = $250K-$500k yr Registered Nurse wage $81,220 (median) to $129,400 Engineer $68K(low end of mean) - $221,550 (high end of top 10 percent) (range depends on what engineer) head Coach pay WNBA - $58,262 to $85,478 NBA - $2 Mil to $ 16 mil Career purpose I believe is a big difference between women vs men playing basketball in college. The question was why did Sam think it was easier to recruit women to UD rather than men. All the reasons men make more $ than women would be the same across the board for all colleges. The fact that we have put quite a few players into the pros domestic and foreign should help recruiting at Detroit
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Post by nctitan on Sept 19, 2023 23:54:53 GMT -5
I agree with JDetroitTitan. The women on the basketball team tend to be ambitious students who are taking challenging majors. They are coming to Detroit Mercy for the academics -- overwhelmingly for a bio/nursing/dental degree or a biz degree -- where the men think they have a shot at a pro career and can get a stats or attention enough to be noticed by pro leagues. The women are choosing a college that will prepare them for a non-sports career.
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Post by fan on Sept 20, 2023 8:04:08 GMT -5
nctitan nailed it, woman's basketball in a sense is the way basketball in general was played before the inmates in the NBA took over the asylum. Most decent boy HS seniors are thinking about the NBA, the women
are looking for a scholarship.
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Post by JDetroitTitan on Sept 20, 2023 8:29:09 GMT -5
I knew of a girl in the early 2000's that was picking a University to attend with a sports scholarship. She ended up picking the University that had the best nursing program out of the group and was not really know for there athletic program at all. Even though she had Universities that had some big time athletic programs that she qualified for a full ride scholarships to play for them .
Flip it to last year my friend son was picking a University to bowl on. He had multiply scholarships (some full rides some partial and one just a walk on).He ended up pick the school with the best team and he was only a walk on. Didn't compete and isn't even going to the that school this year. He decided to step down to go to a community college.
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Post by Commissioner on Sept 20, 2023 8:44:18 GMT -5
Added some more information NBA average salary = $5.4 million (lowest paid $1.1 mil and highest paid $52 mil a year) WNBA average salary = $120,600 (lowest paid $62,285 and highest paid $252,240 a year ) Mans Euro League = $500K-$800K yr Spain League = $250K - 500K yr Turkey league = $250K-$500k yr Registered Nurse wage $81,220 (median) to $129,400 Engineer $68K(low end of mean) - $221,550 (high end of top 10 percent) (range depends on what engineer) head Coach pay WNBA - $58,262 to $85,478 NBA - $2 Mil to $ 16 mil Career purpose I believe is a big difference between women vs men playing basketball in college. The question was why did Sam think it was easier to recruit women to UD rather than men. All the reasons men make more $ than women would be the same across the board for all colleges. The fact that we have put quite a few players into the pros domestic and foreign should help recruiting at Detroit If the possibility of playing pro is important, you are almost always going to choose the best basketball program you can get into. With exceptions such as familial bonds (Ray McCallum, Antoine Davis) you are always going to choose a P5 school over Detroit. Once the pro career thing is less important, one can focus on other attributes of the school, so mid-majors are better positioned to compete. Similarly, the lure of playing before 13,500 wildly cheering people in a packed arena is very attractive compared to playing before the half (or more) empty arenas of Detroit and most mid-majors. But once it's clear you'll be playing before a half (or more) empty arena anyway, that factor declines in importance. And so on. In other words, if you're main purpose is to play basketball, and to do so in hopes of a pro career, and to play before thousands of fans in packed arenas on prime time national TV, you'll almost always choose the high major. That's the situation for top men's recruits. If you're main purpose is to get a good education and have fun in college, with basketball serving as your financial aid package and part of the fun, it's much easier to choose a school such as UD over a P5 school. That's the situation for most top women's recruits. And that then keeps the talent levels a bit more even, further off-setting some of the high major advantages. But yes, Detroit remains a hard school to recruit to for the women as well. If you haven't noticed, it's been 7 years and 4 coaches since the Lady Titans last won more than 5 games in a season.
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Post by fan on Sept 20, 2023 11:14:27 GMT -5
Well, it's the perception certain players have that they will or should reach the promised land, and P5 schools are the path.. It starts young, maybe in the AAU or with "street agents". Bates may be a good example of the "system", or perhaps those twins going to Chicago State. Where the whole deal goes south for some players is playing time or lack of it, and then the transfers start.
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Post by upbasketballfan on Sept 20, 2023 12:49:40 GMT -5
The question was why did Sam think it was easier to recruit women to UD rather than men. All the reasons men make more $ than women would be the same across the board for all colleges. The fact that we have put quite a few players into the pros domestic and foreign should help recruiting at Detroit If the possibility of playing pro is important, you are almost always going to choose the best basketball program you can get into. With exceptions such as familial bonds (Ray McCallum, Antoine Davis) you are always going to choose a P5 school over Detroit. Once the pro career thing is less important, one can focus on other attributes of the school, so mid-majors are better positioned to compete. Similarly, the lure of playing before 13,500 wildly cheering people in a packed arena is very attractive compared to playing before the half (or more) empty arenas of Detroit and most mid-majors. But once it's clear you'll be playing before a half (or more) empty arena anyway, that factor declines in importance. And so on. In other words, if you're main purpose is to play basketball, and to do so in hopes of a pro career, and to play before thousands of fans in packed arenas on prime time national TV, you'll almost always choose the high major. That's the situation for top men's recruits. If you're main purpose is to get a good education and have fun in college, with basketball serving as your financial aid package and part of the fun, it's much easier to choose a school such as UD over a P5 school. That's the situation for most top women's recruits. And that then keeps the talent levels a bit more even, further off-setting some of the high major advantages. But yes, Detroit remains a hard school to recruit to for the women as well. If you haven't noticed, it's been 7 years and 4 coaches since the Lady Titans last won more than 5 games in a season. That will change this year with the women I am guessing a 10+ win season this year. We have a good coach and good players want to play for her. Liv. and 6 will not limit Coach Kate!
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Post by Commissioner on Sept 20, 2023 16:54:32 GMT -5
That will change this year with the women I am guessing a 10+ win season this year. We have a good coach and good players want to play for her. Liv. and 6 will not limit Coach Kate! I agree, but if we're thinking 10 or 12 wins this year shows that the women are doing a lot better than the men, we're really grading on a curve.
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Post by upbasketballfan on Sept 20, 2023 19:19:59 GMT -5
That will change this year with the women I am guessing a 10+ win season this year. We have a good coach and good players want to play for her. Liv. and 6 will not limit Coach Kate! I agree, but if we're thinking 10 or 12 wins this year shows that the women are doing a lot better than the men, we're really grading on a curve. Let’s see how the men do! I don’t even know who is on the team and I’m guessing Davis might no know either! I think the womens program was in shambles! We had Bernard Scott who was a nice guy but ran his program like a bottom tier intramural program and had a pretty weak idea of what a D1 athlete was supposed to look like. Then Vowels followed up that great hire with the grim reaper and she had her hands full with Bernard’s pampered pretenders. Collins did more to help the program than either of the Vowels hires. Then along comes Coach Kate another late hire and by the end of the year they were competitive even though we had no one on the team capable of shooting a 3. Now less than a year later we finally have some athletes who can run down the floor and back without needing an oxygen tank. I’m being conservative at the 10 wins we might get more. We still lack size I wish we had the big girl out of Indiana this year instead of next year but we don’t. We do have good experience coming back inside but size could hurt us.
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Post by nctitan on Sept 20, 2023 20:04:21 GMT -5
I think our size is pretty good this season. According to the site roster, our four forwards are 6-1, 6-1, 6-0, and 5-8. Guards are 5-11, 5-11, 5-10, 5-9, 5-8, 5-8, 5-8, 5-7, 5-7, 5-7 and 5-5. (Three freshmen, two sophs, three juniors, seven seniors/grad students. A lot of open slots next season.)
And in addition to the 6-3 Indiana player we have a commitment from a Cass Tech guard who is 5-10.
Things are, quite literally, looking up.
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Post by upbasketballfan on Sept 21, 2023 11:07:29 GMT -5
I think our size is pretty good this season. According to the site roster, our four forwards are 6-1, 6-1, 6-0, and 5-8. Guards are 5-11, 5-11, 5-10, 5-9, 5-8, 5-8, 5-8, 5-7, 5-7, 5-7 and 5-5. (Three freshmen, two sophs, three juniors, seven seniors/grad students. A lot of open slots next season.) And in addition to the 6-3 Indiana player we have a commitment from a Cass Tech guard who is 5-10. Things are, quite literally, looking up. We could have trouble and foul trouble with a 6’3 to 6’5” 235# + player who is a aggressive inside especially is the opponent has a few + shooters! I guess I’m wrong here just took a look at everyone else in the Horizon and it doesn’t look like anyone else has that player or much more size than us. Surprised to see how many of the taller girls in the league have Wisconsin roots!
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Post by larrytitan on Sept 21, 2023 12:27:38 GMT -5
Farm girls with Northern European heritage
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Post by motorcitysam on Sept 21, 2023 14:33:24 GMT -5
Sign of hope for Alex: Woody Newton, a two time transfer who previously played at Syracuse and Oklahoma State, received a waiver to play at George Mason this season. Not sure what his specific circumstances are, but seeing a waiver granted at this time for a mid major for a mid major means the NCAA hasn't officially closed the book on them.
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Post by larrytitan on Sept 21, 2023 16:08:00 GMT -5
Remember that 18% are receiving waivers.
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Post by ptctitan on Sept 21, 2023 16:43:34 GMT -5
Sign of hope for Alex: Woody Newton, a two time transfer who previously played at Syracuse and Oklahoma State, received a waiver to play at George Mason this season. Not sure what his specific circumstances are, but seeing a waiver granted at this time for a mid major for a mid major means the NCAA hasn't officially closed the book on them. Woody Newton playing historyAlex Tchikou playing history.Both are two-time undergraduate transfers.
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